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re: JFF on the Cover of Time-"It's time to pay college athletes"
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:26 am to skrayper
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:26 am to skrayper
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Really?
So say Manziel's jersey sells 1 million worth of inventory.
He pockets a % of this, and those two 1000 yard receivers that helped him look good? Or those All-American linemen that kept him off his arse?
Think JFF will share? Did you get that vibe from him?
Not sure what you were responding to, but how is that different than now?
Is Johnny going to share his heisman with is linemen and WRs?
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:30 am to BuckeyeFan87
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Uh, I'd say that deals a bit more with the shithead attitude of Manziel than rich people in general.
I think Manziel is a douche, but I do find it funny that capitalism seems to be stopped at the front door of these threads.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:30 am to BuckeyeFan87
Then why not mention the [perceived] shithead attitude, and leave qualifiers like "spoiled rich kid" out of the narrative? Maybe it's just me, but when I read/see/hear whiny comments like that, it tells me more about person A than it does person B.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:30 am to KaiserSoze99
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Is Johnny going to share his heisman with is linemen and WRs?
Or his draft signing bonus?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:32 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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An Olympic model would be perfectly legal and the market would dictate what each player is worth. Scholarships would still be equal but players would be able to make money off of their abilities and likeness. Just like every other individual in this country has the opportunity to do.
Really?
You want to lose nearly every recruiting battle to Texas?
Texas' fan base is still much larger than A&M's. You would literally get spanked for every in state recruit there is. LSU, Florida, Alabama... revenue and ticket sales imply that these schools have fanbases that will spend and spend as well, and therefore will win their state battles AND snatch a few from other states, but none of them *HAVE* to compete with Texas. You do.
You say that now, about Manziel, but do you think he would be wearing an Aggie uniform with this rule in place? He'd be getting a transfer quicker than you can say "Hook 'em Horns."
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:33 am to KaiserSoze99
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Not sure what you were responding to, but how is that different than now?
Is Johnny going to share his heisman with is linemen and WRs?
Johnny got a cash prize with the Heisman?
I must've missed that change.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:35 am to KaiserSoze99
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Still not getting a good argument against my plan.
If you believe that college players should get paid based on performance and popularity like professional athletes and go to the schools with the money and fans to pay them the most, then there is no good argument against your plan.
Don't really see the reason for the charade with the whole merchandise sale thing though. If you want to pay them, just pay them. Highest bidder wins just like in the NFL.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:35 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You're splitting hairs. The point was that the NCAA is already the centralized distributor of player merchandise. They could easily pull statistics on individual jerseys sold and easily implement limits on suspicious transactions.
Why place any limits on "suspicious" transactions? I'm saying, if a booster wants to buy 4,000 JFF jerseys, he is entitled to makes such a purchase. He is paying for something he believes has value. The school gets paid and the kid gets paid. No need to limit it. And you can't really expect a kid to rely on a booster's recruiting promise buy his jersey AFTER he joins the team and his jersey becomes available.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:37 am to KaiserSoze99
I think that everyone forgets how valuable an education/room&board/meals/tutoring/spending money/etc. really is. They do get paid. A lot. Just because they aren't being paid in cash doesn't mean they aren't being fully compensated...and then some.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:39 am to Dorsal-Fin
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I think that everyone forgets how valuable an education/room&board/meals/tutoring/spending money/etc. really is. They do get paid. A lot. Just because they aren't being paid in cash doesn't mean they aren't being fully compensated...and then some.
Just ask anyone who is still paying off their student loans. I'm sure any of them would've been willing to go for free in trade for playing some sports.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:40 am to elposter
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Don't really see the reason for the charade with the whole merchandise sale thing though. If you want to pay them, just pay them. Highest bidder wins just like in the NFL.
The difference is it's not pay for signing with a team. They really can't do that without a jersey to buy. It's not highest bidder, it's the player deciding who is more likely to sell his jersey. I am saying this as an Aggie fan. The fricking longhorns would have a huge advantage over us, but it would be fair to player, school, fan, booster, whomever.
Don't like it. BUY MORE PLAYER JERSEYS AND MERCHANDISE. MAKE YOUR PLAYERS SOME MONEY.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:41 am to Dorsal-Fin
What if the players couldn't have access to their "earnings" until after they graduate or leave school? The integrity of college football would still be intact and the players would have an insurance policy if they were to get hurt.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:45 am to KaiserSoze99
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BUY MORE PLAYER JERSEYS AND MERCHANDISE. MAKE YOUR PLAYERS SOME MONEY.
WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM COLD HARD CASH? WHY THE CHARADE?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:46 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Because they can choose to do work off campus unrelated to their supervising professor's work and own all of it. Football players are demonized for it.
With no funding, facilities or investment capital, good luck!! This is not a strong argument.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:48 am to elposter
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WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM COLD HARD CASH? WHY THE CHARADE?
If you give them $5K, they'll blow it in a week and then spend the rest of the year feeling poor again. What's the limit?
The problem isn't money, it's money management.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:49 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Then why not mention the [perceived] shithead attitude, and leave qualifiers like "spoiled rich kid" out of the narrative? Maybe it's just me, but when I read/see/hear whiny comments like that, it tells me more about person A than it does person B.
You can perceive me however you'd like.
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I think Manziel is a douche, but I do find it funny that capitalism seems to be stopped at the front door of these threads.
I'm all for capitalism. Ohio State has more money than most schools, so offering to pay would only benefit us. If that happens though, I think in no way, shape or form they should also be getting a scholarship on top of a salary.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:50 am to Will2nd
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If you give them $5K, they'll blow it in a week and then spend the rest of the year feeling poor again. What's the limit?
which is why paying them at all is ludicrous in my opinion.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:52 am to Dorsal-Fin
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What if the players couldn't have access to their "earnings" until after they graduate or leave school? The integrity of college football would still be intact and the players would have an insurance policy if they were to get hurt.
I wouldn't have a problem with that either. Or some hybrid of pay some now and save some for later.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:54 am to elposter
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WHY NOT JUST GIVE THEM COLD HARD CASH? WHY THE CHARADE?
We're still maintaining the student-athlete model. If we're going to cold hard cash, why not just start a pro league? This is simply a means for players to be compensated for the value they bring to their respective universities and the organization that govern (NCAA). What is wrong with that?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:56 am to piggilicious
One side of me says, "yes, their money needs to be managed." The other says, "it's their money. Who are we to decide how they spend it. They are adults."
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