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re: JFF on the Cover of Time-"It's time to pay college athletes"
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:00 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:00 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I think Manziel is a douche, but I do find it funny that capitalism seems to be stopped at the front door of these threads.
That's all this is. If it was a number of other players most of these posters wouldn't have any gripes.
It's sad that a Wrestler in MN can't produce music under his own name because some archaic model of "amateur" athletics says so. Or a second string football player who wants to start a business selling 3rd party cell phone plans but cant because he isn't allowed to profit off of his name while in college. I can't believe how many people are defending the system...
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:02 pm to skrayper
You are sadly mistaken if you think Texas has such an overwhelming money advantage over A&M that we can't compete with them. Texas has 450k living alumni, A&M has about 380k. The average A&M alumni makes more than the average Texas alumni and we are now larger than they are and producing more graduates per year. A&M also has more than enough BMA's to buy whatever is needed if that is the issue, maybe you missed how we are dropping $450 mill on rebuilding Kyle and it is already sold out and the money is accounted for to pay for it.
I think the entire concept of "stopping cheating" and keeping players "clean" is just semantics anyway. There are many, many ways to get around NCAA regs to pay players legally or illegally. You can't really stop a $100 or $1000 handshake. You can't really stop Uncle Billy from getting a lot better job than he should. You can't really stop a school from going above and beyond to make sure a kid gets Pell Grants and other additional monies that are simply checks that pass through to them because their college is already fully paid for. So let's just stop pretending like this is all some fair and noble game of amateur athletes, it just isn't. Right now the rewards just go to the team that skirts the rules the best (which btw isn't going to change with any new rules).
One thing that allowing kids to make money off their likeness in school would do is probably keep some kids in school longer. If a kid can make some extra bank off his image he may well stick around an extra year or finish off his degree rather than risk the move to the pro ranks by leaving early. At least that's a possibility. To take Johnny out of this, think of a "One and done" Bball player at UK. He might decide to stick around if he knows he can make and extra $20k on his likeness while staying in school.
I think the entire concept of "stopping cheating" and keeping players "clean" is just semantics anyway. There are many, many ways to get around NCAA regs to pay players legally or illegally. You can't really stop a $100 or $1000 handshake. You can't really stop Uncle Billy from getting a lot better job than he should. You can't really stop a school from going above and beyond to make sure a kid gets Pell Grants and other additional monies that are simply checks that pass through to them because their college is already fully paid for. So let's just stop pretending like this is all some fair and noble game of amateur athletes, it just isn't. Right now the rewards just go to the team that skirts the rules the best (which btw isn't going to change with any new rules).
One thing that allowing kids to make money off their likeness in school would do is probably keep some kids in school longer. If a kid can make some extra bank off his image he may well stick around an extra year or finish off his degree rather than risk the move to the pro ranks by leaving early. At least that's a possibility. To take Johnny out of this, think of a "One and done" Bball player at UK. He might decide to stick around if he knows he can make and extra $20k on his likeness while staying in school.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:10 pm to piggidyphish
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you're right, he's infamous. He's quite popular for being hated. So if we're just talking about getting readers and not making change, again i agree with you. If you'd like change though i stay away from him as my poster boy
You're assuming those with power to impart change will put form over substance. That's a suspect assumption. The power brokers aren't going to be moved by the chiding from the ignorant mass pointing to the plight of some indigent kid. Those kids are a dime a dozen, largely forgotten once Rinaldi's voice fades and the next commercial airs.
JFF is the perfect figurehead for the movement because the financial benefits flowing from one player's name and likeness have never been so profoundly misappropriated. There are hard and large numbers reflecting what everyone but Manziel is making off "Johnny Football." Never has a nickname generated so much money for everyone but than holder.
Sure, from a superficial standpoint, one that appeals purely to emotion, he's not ideal--or even what you want. But whatever discontent he incites in the public, it's surely not outweighed by the actual merits of his case.
If there's going to be change, it will be so that players can profit from their name and likeness. There will never be some profit-sharing arrangement whereby every player on the 85 receives a kickback. If you accept that as true, Johnny is the perfect catalyst for change.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:11 pm to KaiserSoze99
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How would that create dissension? Does it create dissension on pro teams?
Really? Jesus H. Christ...........
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:12 pm to KaiserSoze99
You really this dense or are you just pretending ?
No one is milking anything from anyone jackleg, these colleges were playing football to large crowds way before your “ GHETTO KIDS ” were playing football.
If not for college football there would be no NFL , the NFL was not as successful as college football until the mid 50s.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE
No one is milking anything from anyone jackleg, these colleges were playing football to large crowds way before your “ GHETTO KIDS ” were playing football.
If not for college football there would be no NFL , the NFL was not as successful as college football until the mid 50s.
YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:17 pm to skrayper
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Texas' fan base is still much larger than A&M's. You would literally get spanked for every in state recruit there is. LSU, Florida, Alabama... revenue and ticket sales imply that these schools have fanbases that will spend and spend as well, and therefore will win their state battles AND snatch a few from other states, but none of them *HAVE* to compete with Texas. You do. You say that now, about Manziel, but do you think he would be wearing an Aggie uniform with this rule in place? He'd be getting a transfer quicker than you can say "Hook 'em Horns."
Texas has more money than TAMU, sure. But the difference isn't as great as you think. TAMU's AD sits in the top ten with regard to revenue generated, good for third in the SEC.
TAMU donors also gave $13 million more than their longhorn counterparts last year.
In short, TAMU's pockets are deep. And while they're not quite as deep as Texas', they pack enough cash to thrive in the Olympic system.
This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:18 pm to KaiserSoze99
GRADE A DUMMY
I BET HE'S UNDER 25 , YOU KNOW A LOW INFORMATION VOTER TYPE.
I BET HE'S UNDER 25 , YOU KNOW A LOW INFORMATION VOTER TYPE.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:18 pm to DWag215
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Never has a nickname generated so much money for everyone but than holder.
Ok. Just 2 years ago LSU went through this with Honey Badger. There were t-shirts being sold literally on street corners. Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:19 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
7 pages into the thread and the only posters that support "paying" college athletes are TA&M posters.
If you don't think a full scholly, room, board and all of the benefits and extras that come with being a athlete is enough "pay" for a college athlete, you must not think very highly of your school.
If you don't think a full scholly, room, board and all of the benefits and extras that come with being a athlete is enough "pay" for a college athlete, you must not think very highly of your school.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:23 pm to LSUdm21
That's actually a good example. What if Matthieu could have gotten some money for his jerseys? Maybe he would have been able to stay out of some of the other trouble he got in. Maybe not. A lot of folks got rich off of his moniker though but not him. He looks like he is off to a good start in the NFL but if he washed out what would he have?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:23 pm to LSUdm21
You mean that a player who gets more in sales is going to be hated by other players on his team? That's different than the guy who gets playing time, or who gets all the attention, or who has all the jersey sales NOW.
And that's different from now HOW? And that matters HOW? And that's everybody's problem HOW?
And that's different from now HOW? And that matters HOW? And that's everybody's problem HOW?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:28 pm to aggressor
You are sadly mistaken if you think Texas has such
Alumni is not the same as fanbase. Texas has a population of over 26 million; your alumni totals between both schools is, what, 3% of that? Do you believe that only 3% of the state's population cheer for Texas or Texas A&M?
Facebook data seems to imply that Texas still retains a stranglehold on the state in regards to overall fanbase.
And please note, I'm not referring to cheating. I'm referring to building in a formula where a player gets money directly related to merchandising. The largest FANBASES (not Alumni groups) will dictate where all but the most loyal player plays. Even the richest almuni will falter if their principle rival can open up an extra 1 million wallets.
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an overwhelming money advantage over A&M that we can't compete with them. Texas has 450k living alumni, A&M has about 380k. The average A&M alumni makes more than the average Texas alumni and we are now larger than they are and producing more graduates per year. A&M also has more than enough BMA's to buy whatever is needed if that is the issue, maybe you missed how we are dropping $450 mill on rebuilding Kyle and it is already sold out and the money is accounted for to pay for it.
Alumni is not the same as fanbase. Texas has a population of over 26 million; your alumni totals between both schools is, what, 3% of that? Do you believe that only 3% of the state's population cheer for Texas or Texas A&M?
Facebook data seems to imply that Texas still retains a stranglehold on the state in regards to overall fanbase.
And please note, I'm not referring to cheating. I'm referring to building in a formula where a player gets money directly related to merchandising. The largest FANBASES (not Alumni groups) will dictate where all but the most loyal player plays. Even the richest almuni will falter if their principle rival can open up an extra 1 million wallets.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:29 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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You really this dense or are you just pretending ?
It would be too hard to pretend to be as dumb as i am.
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No one is milking anything from anyone jackleg, these colleges were playing football to large crowds way before your “ GHETTO KIDS ” were playing football.
I am just stating their perspective. College football was not nearly the big business it has become until the 80s. And, oddly enough, that's when all the large-scale pay-for-play scandals emerged. Sure there were some before then, but not nearly on that scale.
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If not for college football there would be no NFL , the NFL was not as successful as college football until the mid 50s.
I am not sure what point you are making here, but if you are trying to say that the NFL owes its soul to college football, maybe the NFL should contribute?
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YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE
Why get all upset? We're just having an intellectual discussion here. Neither of us have any power. Why are you acting like I am unilaterally making this decision without everyone's consent?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:31 pm to westcoastcajun
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If you don't think a full scholly, room, board and all of the benefits and extras that come with being a athlete is enough "pay" for a college athlete, you must not think very highly of your school.
Our schools must not think highly of the student-athletes that help promote the schools because they are not willing to share in the profits.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:33 pm to skrayper
That map only shows the top school per county. That assumes that A&M has zero fans in all of the orange counties....and counties in New Mexico, Colorado, and Arizona.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:37 pm to KaiserSoze99
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You mean that a player who gets more in sales is going to be hated by other players on his team? That's different than the guy who gets playing time, or who gets all the attention, or who has all the jersey sales NOW.
And that's different from now HOW? And that matters HOW? And that's everybody's problem HOW?
Well, for one thing, in the NFL the individual player doesn't solely profit off of his own jersey. It all goes into a pot. The NFL gets theirs, the organization gets theirs THEN the rest is split between EVERY player. Which, btw, is VERY LITTLE money.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:37 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Our schools must not think highly of the student-athletes that help promote the schools because they are not willing to share in the profits.
I disagree. Room, tuition, etc - these all carry a monetary value.
Are you willing to share some of that grant money with the students that help make it happen as well? I've seen a lot of people on here speak highly of the amount of grant revenue Texas A&M brings in; I've not once seen them say that A&M should pay those kids working on those projects with that large amount of grant money.
Are you willing to share some of the money the school receives with every scholarship student who comes in to raise your average SAT score?
Are you willing to share some of the money the school receives in exposure each time the band is shown on national television?
Or will only the Johnny Footballs of A&M benefit from this revenue sharing?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:38 pm to KaiserSoze99
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That map only shows the top school per county. That assumes that A&M has zero fans in all of the orange counties....and counties in New Mexico, Colorado, and Arizona.
I assure you, that is not the assumption I make, just as I do not assume that Auburn has 0 fans in the state of Alabama. It does show, however, that Texas still has a pretty thorough dominance on the state as a whole.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:41 pm to aggressor
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That's actually a good example. What if Matthieu could have gotten some money for his jerseys? Maybe he would have been able to stay out of some of the other trouble he got in.
Come on.
There's no telling how much more trouble a rich honey badger would have gotten in. This post was edited on 9/5/13 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:43 pm to skrayper
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I assure you, that is not the assumption I make, just as I do not assume that Auburn has 0 fans in the state of Alabama. It does show, however, that Texas still has a pretty thorough dominance on the state as a whole.
If there was facebook back in the 80s, the map would have been mostly maroon, believe it or not.
texas and A&M have their hardcore fanbases, but texas is full of "swing" fans, for lack of a better way of putting it, I guess
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