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re: JFF on the Cover of Time-"It's time to pay college athletes"
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:09 am to VinnieCeesChaser
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:09 am to VinnieCeesChaser
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Kenny Bell should've made the cover
Good point.
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:12 am to TK421
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Someone brought up the fact that grad students don't own their own work while in college, just as football students don't own their own likeness. For example, if I did some amazing work that resulted in Nobel prize, my boss would get the million dollars and I would be lucky if he even acknowledged me in his acceptance speech.
I understand that completely and that's why I'm not advocating that the school pay them. LSU turned in a little over $70M last year, but I'm not saying that players should be get a cut of that. I equate that money to what your boss and LSU would receive if you helped develop a major patent. However, I still see a major difference between that and someone owning your likeness and using it for profit.
Are you allowed to discuss your resume with future employer prospects? Football players aren't.
Could you be paid a small amount to use a certain brand of pipette or glassware if a third party decides you're an up and coming scientist based on a publication you weren't paid for? Can you be paid to appear in a sales brochure for such things? The answer to these may be no (I'm not familiar with the finer details). If you aren't then I disagree with that employee arrangement also.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:13 am to elposter
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I guess the bottom line is that if you believe that college players should go to the highest bidders / deepest pockets a la the NFL, then sure go for letting players profit off sale of merchandise.
Yes, and that's only a PROMISE to buy their jerseys. The kid actually has to be on the team to get the money from the sales and that type of agreement is pretty much unenforceable in every court in the land.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:15 am to KaiserSoze99
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If a booster wants to buy $200,000.00 worth of jerseys
If that truly were possible what stops them right now? At least it would be on the books and traceable.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:16 am to aggressor
Fine, if they want to pay them, go or it.
That will just free up some scholarships for actual students who need their degree.
Unless this article states keeping players on scholarship as well as paying them. Then I say, frick you sir.
That will just free up some scholarships for actual students who need their degree.
Unless this article states keeping players on scholarship as well as paying them. Then I say, frick you sir.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:16 am to LSUdm21
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Like I said, there's this little thing called Title IX. It would take changes federally to allow this to go on.
Title IX already doesn't stop unequal treatment between college sports.
Hell, it's not even specifically directed towards sports in the first place.
It could be worked around. I'm sorry but just flatly saying its impossible is a lazy non answer.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:16 am to S.E.C. Crazy
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No , for starters it is not THEIR jersey , it is the universities jersey , they know this when they sign a scholarship.
Doesn't have to be under IP law. A billboard that advertises something using Michael Jordan's picture is not MJ's property.
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Unlike professional teams 95 percent of college stadiums are paid for by colleges , not bribe money from cities.
And the sport brings recognition to the school, which increases the schools value, blah blah. We can go on and on.
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I think the schools should be able to make sure the kids have nice clothes if they have none.
Yes, we must keep these little ghetto golden geese clothed whilst we milk them for all they are worth.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:17 am to KaiserSoze99
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Yes, and that's only a PROMISE to buy their jerseys. The kid actually has to be on the team to get the money from the sales and that type of agreement is pretty much unenforceable in every court in the land.
Right and when word gets out that boosters promised a 5 star recruit they would buy $200,000 worth of his jerseys and failed to deliver that school would never get a 5 star recruit by offering jersey sales. The only possible way you could make this work is to allow jersey sales from a single retailer who, in turn, would report publicly the sales of the jerseys and they would have to limit jersey sales to a certain number per household and credit card. Even still this is completely corruptible as a booster with a business could get his employees to all buy jerseys etc.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:17 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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If that truly were possible what stops them right now? At least it would be on the books and traceable.
Exactly.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:18 am to StopRobot
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from a single retailer who, in turn, would report publicly the sales of the jerseys and they would have to limit jersey sales to a certain number per household and credit card
In other words, exactly what the NCAA does now.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:21 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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In other words, exactly what the NCAA does now.
The NCAA does not report publicly what specific jersey amounts it sells, just by university nor does it limit the amount you may purchase
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:22 am to aggressor
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:22 am to StopRobot
you are aware EVERYTHING is corruptable.... at least the jersey thing would be win-win. The College gets money, the player gets money.
Something to consider would be that giving kids rights to image and name would open the floodgates on all sorts of merchandise the University could cash in on. From JFF action figures, McCarron lunchboxes, Clowney iphone covers, Mettenberger bumper stickers, etc)
Something to consider would be that giving kids rights to image and name would open the floodgates on all sorts of merchandise the University could cash in on. From JFF action figures, McCarron lunchboxes, Clowney iphone covers, Mettenberger bumper stickers, etc)
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:22 am to StopRobot
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Right and when word gets out that boosters promised a 5 star recruit they would buy $200,000 worth of his jerseys and failed to deliver that school would never get a 5 star recruit by offering jersey sales.
Proving my case for me.
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The only possible way you could make this work is to allow jersey sales from a single retailer who, in turn, would report publicly the sales of the jerseys and they would have to limit jersey sales to a certain number per household and credit card. Even still this is completely corruptible as a booster with a business could get his employees to all buy jerseys etc.
Universities already do report publicly their sales. The University has a stake in making sure all licensed products accounted for. Why do we have to limit how much a booster gets to buy? If they deem the kid worthy of those purchases, and they want to waste their money, go for it.
Still not getting a good argument against my plan.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:22 am to LSUdm21
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The "pay college" athletes people really need to stfu. It can't happen thanks to Title IX. Every school would have to give every kid on scholarship the same amount of money and that's what makes it impossible.
An Olympic model would be perfectly legal and the market would dictate what each player is worth. Scholarships would still be equal but players would be able to make money off of their abilities and likeness. Just like every other individual in this country has the opportunity to do.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:23 am to TK421
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yeah, the spoiled rich kid is really the best guy to put on this cover. I feel bad for his tough life, I've never walked in his shoes.
When did this country devolve to the point where people spoke angrily about the success of others? It's really been brought to light as of late.
Maybe I'm misreading the tone of your post; and if that's the case, I apologize. But others (e.g., Dennis Dodd) certainly have seethed at the Manziel family's wealth.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:24 am to S.E.C. Crazy
Really?
So say Manziel's jersey sells 1 million worth of inventory.
He pockets a % of this, and those two 1000 yard receivers that helped him look good? Or those All-American linemen that kept him off his arse?
Think JFF will share? Did you get that vibe from him?
So say Manziel's jersey sells 1 million worth of inventory.
He pockets a % of this, and those two 1000 yard receivers that helped him look good? Or those All-American linemen that kept him off his arse?
Think JFF will share? Did you get that vibe from him?
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:25 am to YipSkiddlyDooo
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An Olympic model would be perfectly legal and the market would dictate what each player is worth. Scholarships would still be equal but players would be able to make money off of their abilities and likeness. Just like every other individual in this country has the opportunity to do.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:26 am to EKG
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When did this country devolve to the point where people spoke angrily about the success of others? It's really been brought to light as of late.
Uh, I'd say that deals a bit more with the shithead attitude of Manziel than rich people in general.
Posted on 9/5/13 at 11:26 am to StopRobot
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The NCAA does not report publicly what specific jersey amounts it sells, just by university nor does it limit the amount you may purchase
You're splitting hairs. The point was that the NCAA is already the centralized distributor of player merchandise. They could easily pull statistics on individual jerseys sold and easily implement limits on suspicious transactions.
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