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re: JFF is better than Cam and Tebow
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:22 am to Eagle of War
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:22 am to Eagle of War
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Show me a link of Johnny running over a linebacker (of an SEC defense at that) to score a TD and I'll reconsider. I'm waiting.....
So Cam Newton can truck a guy better than Manziel. Who cares? He still put up more stats as a freshman than Newton did in his junior year. I'm not saying Manziel is better, but to say there is no debate is being intellectually dishonest.
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Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:26 am to rowdyreptiles
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Johnny is developing into a better passer than both He reads coverage better, and throws a better deep ball
debatable. he gets VERY careless at times. his WRs bailed him out a couple of times.
I do honestly believe he is as dangerous at this point. However, I really think Cam was more "unstoppable" than him. Tebow was more consistent over the years.
IF JJF pulls off a good encore this year, then he will be in the discussion......but he will still not have guided his teammates to a Natty and THAT is the mark of a champion.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:29 am to Yintros
JFF is so different from Tebow it's hard to even know where to start. Tebow was a QB trapped in a TE's body. He honestly reminded me of Bucky Richardson with a better arm. Loved to hit people and was a ferocious leader but put on an NFL team where you have to have a quick release, hit tight target windows, and read complex D's quickly and both were toast.
Johnny's not like Cam either. Cam is more like VY with better mechanics. Big guys with good speed and huge arms. Cam is also smarter than VY but he is no rocket scientist as his Gruden interview showed. Both rely too much on their natural athleticism and size though and eventually it catches up.
Johnny is hard to pin down but he is mostly like another HOF SEC QB, Fran Tarkenton. Most here don't remember Fran as a player but he is the closest I have seen:
Fran highlights
Johnny's not like Cam either. Cam is more like VY with better mechanics. Big guys with good speed and huge arms. Cam is also smarter than VY but he is no rocket scientist as his Gruden interview showed. Both rely too much on their natural athleticism and size though and eventually it catches up.
Johnny is hard to pin down but he is mostly like another HOF SEC QB, Fran Tarkenton. Most here don't remember Fran as a player but he is the closest I have seen:
Fran highlights
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:30 am to CharlesLSU
quote:EXACTLY, thats why Trent Dilfer is a true champion and not that bum Dan Marino
.but he will still not have guided his teammates to a Natty and THAT is the mark of a champion.
This post was edited on 9/18/13 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:31 am to Yintros
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Kids, gather around. Today we'll be discussing the recency effect.
Please. Look at the numbers. Watch the tapes. It's undeniable.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:31 am to rowdyreptiles
I rarely ever say this to a fellow UF fan, but please, post less.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:37 am to GatorsGators
Is Manziel really 6'1 210 lbs?
I didn't realize he was that big. He certainly doesn't look it.
I didn't realize he was that big. He certainly doesn't look it.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:40 am to redeye
He's 72 inches even, with no shoes. And he is playing at over 200 this year. He's recognizably thicker.
This post was edited on 9/18/13 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/18/13 at 11:41 am to RollTide1987
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I'm not saying Manziel is better
Soooo... Who would you say is better? The guy who can do all that Johnny can PLUS "truck a guy" or just do what Johnny can?
Serious question so think about it. Considering all things equal, would you want Newton or Manziel as your QB? I respect your opinion
but if you say JFF who throws off his back foot in a lucky situation instead of Cam who didn't have as much "luck" but just skill and imposing power on the other team then urine idiot. 
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:25 pm to Eagle of War
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...just skill and imposing power on the other team then urine idiot.
"Damn you autocorrect" gives this poster away as one of the ITAT posters who continually posts about urine filled ziploc bags and urine soaked nerf balls ...
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:38 pm to lsupride87
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Tebow was once able to win a game 13-3. If JFF scored 13 points, his team would lose by 20, to Sam Houston State
I know you are not bringing up defense into this. LSU's offensive line was horrible all year and in turn our run game was terrible. Tebow had just had a concussion the week or two weeks prior. All he did was dive play dive play. If Manziel had t do that, he'd be crushed.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:38 pm to rowdyreptiles
He atleast needs an SEC title before i agree. And i'm not hating, i think Johnny is great and i love watching him play (except against LSU) but he needs some type of title before i agree with this.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:39 pm to rowdyreptiles
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Johnny doesn't have a good RB,
Disagree. Malena and Williams can play.
I do agree with your assessment though. JFF has the best combination of passing and running ability I have ever seen.
This post was edited on 9/18/13 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:41 pm to rowdyreptiles
JFF is better than Cam and Tebow.
National Championships are a valid argument to bring up but if JFF had those Florida or even that Auburn D/ST he would get one.
National Championships are a valid argument to bring up but if JFF had those Florida or even that Auburn D/ST he would get one.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:41 pm to JGTiger
Simple answer. Cam and Tebow won championships, Little Johnny will not
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:45 pm to rowdyreptiles
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Johnny and Cam's skill players are about even
Johnny does have a better line though.
Johnny seems to make his receivers better, I can't say that for Cam
This is a lie. Cam had Darvin Adams which was his best WR, but wouldn't start for a bunch of teams. He had Dyer and that was it. TAMU has 2 five star backs and Malena to hand the ball off to.
Had Swope (4.3 WR with a mean streak) and Evans (a 6'5 beast) last year. Has Evans (already has half the yardage he had all last year, in 3 games) this year and just picked up a 5 star WR in the offseason.
Johnny has had the best line minus Alabama last year, and possibly the best line this year.
Auburn's defense was about as good as TAMU's last year. Did yall forget that all they had was Nick Fairley?
ETA: Darvin Adams, was going off in my head.
This post was edited on 9/18/13 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:49 pm to rowdyreptiles
The over/under on the length of JFF's NFL career is 7 games. That scrambly sh*t won't work against NFL linemen and LBs, he's not tall enough to see over his own OL, and if he does try to run, he's going to get hurt.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:50 pm to nycajun
Cam Newton is the best college football player I have ever seen.
Posted on 9/18/13 at 12:56 pm to rowdyreptiles
SMH at the OP. Your logic is flawed.
Cam is easily better. Is probably go with Johnny over Tebow though.
Cam is easily better. Is probably go with Johnny over Tebow though.
This post was edited on 9/18/13 at 12:57 pm
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