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Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:24 pm to rockiee
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:24 pm to rockiee
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You act like there are no positives from the spread when it comes to running the ball. Some defenses can have a hard time determining where the ball is going to go and makes them play honest.
It's not the kind of formation that helps an RB like Hurd. And despite it's positives as a formation our OL is that bad. The only thing that keeps defenses honest is Josh Dobbs.
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:27 pm to Prof
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Again we run a spread option from the shotgun (he never knows if he's getting the ball) and has a shitty OL.
Explain how this is any different than Royce Freeman
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:28 pm to volfan30
He's propped up by having Dobbs.
Collins was well above him this year. I think anyone would agree.
He's too Drake colored to be any good in the NFL.
Collins was well above him this year. I think anyone would agree.
He's too Drake colored to be any good in the NFL.
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:29 pm to Prof
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OL is that bad
That might be true but looking at the game against Arkansas, he played well. I think a lot of that had to due with the spread. Arkansas defense was actually good against the run(was awful against the pass) last year. I think Dobbs can have a bigger impact than the line can if he improves as a passer and gets more consistent.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:31 pm to volfan30
You're seriously comparing a good Oregon team that played in the PAC to a mediocre UT team with a worse line that plays in the SEC? Not to mention two different types of RBs?
Look it's obvious you prefer pure runners at RB. Jalen isn't a pure runner but that doesn't make him the bad RB you think it does.
Look it's obvious you prefer pure runners at RB. Jalen isn't a pure runner but that doesn't make him the bad RB you think it does.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:33 pm to STLhog
He is a really nice player, but I feel like a lot of Tennessee fans do not have a good grasp of other players in the league/around college football.
Barnett is an elite DE right now in college football but outside of that Tennessee just has really good players at most other positions. No one you would put at the top of their position in lists like this.
Barnett is an elite DE right now in college football but outside of that Tennessee just has really good players at most other positions. No one you would put at the top of their position in lists like this.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:33 pm to Prof
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a worse line
wut
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the bad RB
LOL what???? I have said repeatedly he is a very good player. Saying you wouldn't trade him for Fournette though is really silly.
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:36 pm to volfan30
I will say that I am confused at everyone saying the OL was awful but expecting the same group to be a strength next year. I know some of it was youth so you expect growth, but an o-line doesn't generally go from garbage to top 3 in the league in one off season.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:36 pm to Prof
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a good Oregon team
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a mediocre UT team
Pretty much every power ranking out there had Tennessee solidly ahead of Oregon fwiw.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:37 pm to Cheeky Fellow
The line was not bad at all as a run blocking unit.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:38 pm to volfan30
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The line was not bad at all as a run blocking unit.
I didn't think so either. They weren't elite, but DeBord seemed to understand their faults and play to their relative strengths pretty well.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:40 pm to rockiee
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That might be true but looking at the game against Arkansas, he played well.
Only got the ball 4 times in the 2nd half
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Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:41 pm to rockiee
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That might be true but looking at the game against Arkansas, he played well. I think a lot of that had to due with the spread. Arkansas defense was actually good against the run(was awful against the pass) last year. I think Dobbs can have a bigger impact than the line can if he improves as a passer and gets more consistent.
Hopefully OL improves again this year and I actually do like our power spread. It's just that it's not a system where a heavier back thrives most. Guys like Dobbs and Kamara are better built for the power spread. That's why I'm hopeful that we'll start integrating the offset I more. I want a multiple offense.
Dobbs' biggest issue passing has been that he's had to keep his head on a swivel with that line and always be prepared to take off. That's led to bad footwork. He can throw an amazing back shoulder throw and has the arm but rarely has the time. His inconsistency (great some of the time but damn he can throw some wild passes) makes him frustrating to watch at times. Also, our WRs have been a huge disappointment.
I'm really hoping the OL steps up this year. We'll go as far as they let us.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:42 pm to Prof
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Again we run a spread option from the shotgun (he never knows if he's getting the ball) and has a shitty OL. He's lucky to get 4.4 ypc. Very few backs would including some big names. THAT is how bad our OL has been.
Except Alvin Kamara ran for 6.5 yards per carry behind the same said OL, on over 100 carries this last season.
And running from the spread is no detriment at all for a RB. In fact it can be argued it helps. Please check out Georgia Southern for instance (See: Matt Breida).
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:46 pm to thunderbird1100
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Except Alvin Kamara ran for 6.5 yards per carry behind the same said OL, on over 100 carries this last season.
And running from the spread is no detriment at all for a RB. In fact it can be argued it helps. Please check out Georgia Southern for instance (See: Matt Breida).
Alvin is a pure runner and one the spread is made for. Jalen is a power back. He's not the kind of runner that thrives in the power spread.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:47 pm to thunderbird1100
He is talking in circles.
In one breath he says smaller backs fit the offense better. And obviously they do as Kamara was much more productive than Hurd last year on a per touch basis.
In the next breath he says he wouldn't trade Hurd for an obviously superior RB because we need a RB like Hurd for our situation.
In one breath he says smaller backs fit the offense better. And obviously they do as Kamara was much more productive than Hurd last year on a per touch basis.
In the next breath he says he wouldn't trade Hurd for an obviously superior RB because we need a RB like Hurd for our situation.
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:47 pm to Prof
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Alvin is a pure runner and one the spread is made for. Jalen is a power back. He's not the kind of runner that thrives in the power spread.
So why start Hurd over him if Kamara is better made for your offense?
You're really making zero sense here
Also, you're elite if you'r eelite and run for a lot regardless of formation. Fournette killed teams out of shotgun this year almost as bad or worse than out of power formations...and he's 230+ pounds
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:47 pm to thunderbird1100
This post was edited on 1/28/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:49 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Kamara and Hurd are completely different kinds of backs
I get that, and apparently he's saying Kamara fits your offense better, so why does Hurd start and get more than twice as many carries as Kamara?
Posted on 1/28/16 at 1:49 pm to thunderbird1100
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So why start Hurd over him if Kamara is better made for your offense?
You're really making zero sense here
Because Alvin needs Hurd. He wouldn't do as well without him. Again it's that whole OL thang.
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