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Jake Locker or Cam Newton?

Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:56 pm
Who will be drafted higher in next year's NFL Draft?
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:57 pm to
Jefferson goes before both
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:58 pm to
Any team who takes Locker over Newton is just stupid. Locker is one of the more overhyped players I've seen recently.
Posted by adammwilson
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:59 pm to
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Who will be drafted higher in next year's NFL Draft?


tough question right now I'd go with Newton.

By April that could change.

Personally, I'd take Locker without hesitation.
Posted by adammwilson
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 3:59 pm to
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Locker is one of the more overhyped players I've seen recently.


and why is that?
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:02 pm to
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and why is that?


Does this really need to be explained? So many guys were oozing over him as the #1 guy on their boards coming into this season. He did nothing to live up to that. He is just way too inaccurate to be an NFL QB.

Not only is Newton a much better runner but he's a WAY better passer.
Posted by adammwilson
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:06 pm to
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Does this really need to be explained?


Hell yes it does.

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So many guys were oozing over him as the #1 guy on their boards coming into this season. He did nothing to live up to that.


and? He plays for Wash. with next to no talent and he was hurt most of the year.

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He is just way too inaccurate to be an NFL QB.


you seen alot of him? I disagree.

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he's a WAY better passer.


in you opinion.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:07 pm to
I'd take Newton. Money going to his head won't be an issue
Posted by Peace
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:13 pm to
Any team that drafts Cam knows Cecil will demand top dollar.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:19 pm to
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Hell yes it does.


No, it really shouldnt. Newton is by far the better QB.


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and? He plays for Wash. with next to no talent and he was hurt most of the year.


Wrong. Chris Polk is as legit as a RB you'll find and he has Kearse at WR, an NFL talent next year. It's not like Newton stepped into a powerhouse at Auburn, they lost 5 games last year.

There is no excuse for how poorly Locker played this year and is why no one is talking about him anymore. He should of declared last year when some team would of been dumb enough to take him in the Top 10/15. Good chance he'll fall out the 1st round now. Locker is a nothing at QB without his running ability and he cant run around all the time in the NFL. He isn't starting material by any means in the NFL. Newton is, he can throw the ball very well.

You know what QBs had a higher QB rating than Locker this year? Remember that terrible MSU QB a few years ago who threw like 5 or 6 picks against LSU? Wesley Carroll? He had a higher QB rating than him this year at FIU. Matt Simms, the former starter at Tennessee who was beat out by a true freshman later in the year...higher QB rating this year than Jake Locker.

There is zero excuse for the poor display Locker put on this year, his last year, his 4th year starting (did miss a lot his sophomore year).


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you seen alot of him? I disagree.



Yes I have, he's terribly inaccurate. 54% career completion % is pretty terrible for a supposed "top QB".


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in you opinion.


Cam Newton - #1 QB Rating in NCAA
Jake Locker - #69 QB Rating in NCAA

On top of that it's clear to any level headed person watching the two Newton is miles ahead of Locker throwing the football in any aspect. Power, accuracy, etc...
Posted by TBama93k
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:19 pm to
newton duh... ill just be happy to see auburn next year without him
Posted by Jma313
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:20 pm to
Andrew luck will be a better pro QB
Posted by adammwilson
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Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:33 pm to
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Newton is by far the better QB.


based on what? Why is he better?

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Chris Polk is as legit as a RB you'll find


agreed I was talking more about o.line/ WR's.


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he has Kearse at WR, an NFL talent next year


true but when Kearse was being covered by a good CB he went cold. (see Nebraska game)

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It's not like Newton stepped into a powerhouse at Auburn, they lost 5 games last year.


I'd take Dyer and Adams over Polk and kearse all day every day.

Also Auburn's Offense as a whole is better.

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There is no excuse for how poorly Locker played this year


Injuries aren't good reasons?

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no one is talking about him anymore.


plenty of people are just not as the top qb.

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Good chance he'll fall out the 1st round now.


couldn't disagree more. I still think he will go in the 1st as does every mock draft.

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Locker is a nothing at QB without his running ability


either you haven't watched him or you have a serious grudge against him.

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He isn't starting material by any means in the NFL.


same thing people said about Tebow and Mccoy.

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You know what QBs had a higher QB rating than Locker this year?


He played hurt this year and he really shouldn't have.

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54% career completion % is pretty terrible for a supposed "top QB".


doesn't take dropped passes into account and other factors. I'm not a Big stats guy but I agree the stats are concerning.

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it's clear to any level headed person watching the two Newton is miles ahead of Locker throwing the football in any aspect. Power, accuracy, etc.


Geez you really hate Locker. Agree to disagree.

Posted by gabster121
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Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:37 pm to
Jake Locker = Ryan Leaf
Cam Newton = JaMarcus Russell

Who would you rather have? How about neither. There are 2 PAC-10 quarterbacks better than Locker right now (Nick Foles and Andrew Luck) and at least 1 SEC quarterback better than Cam Newton (Mallett).

Yeah, Cam's hot a high ranking, but it's because he's throwing to wide open receivers since the defense is trying to hard to contain him.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:38 pm to
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Jake Locker = Ryan Leaf
Cam Newton = JaMarcus Russell


some bold predictions there.

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Nick Foles


great qb and probably will be the #1 guy next year. I still think Locker is better but time will tell.

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1 SEC quarterback better than Cam Newton (Mallett).


that's pretty controversial.

Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68340 posts
Posted on 12/25/10 at 4:49 pm to
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based on what? Why is he better?


I've explained this a bunch of times, keep up. Plus, any half wit can tell Newton is by far better by watching the two play.


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true but when Kearse was being covered by a good CB he went cold. (see Nebraska game)



And Darvin Adams didn't? Adams and Kearse had similar seasons, actually Kearse slightly better. Don't see a difference in the 2. Adams did nothing against good corners.


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I'd take Dyer and Adams over Polk and kearse all day every day.



I wouldn't. I don't really see a difference in the combo. Kearse and Polk are easily as good as Adams and Dyer. All numbers together they look very similar as well.


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Also Auburn's Offense as a whole is better.


Mostly because Newton is by far a better QB.


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Injuries aren't good reasons?


He's had excuses for everything throughout his career. He just isn't very good. Why do you think he dropped from just about everyone's #1 overall player at the beginning of the season clear out of everyone's Top 10/15?


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plenty of people are just not as the top qb.


Where? I havent heard about him since the beginning of the season.


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couldn't disagree more. I still think he will go in the 1st as does every mock draft.


With the season he had there's a good chance. He started so high on everyone's board he may not. But he's FAR from being a Top 10/15 pick everyone seemed to think he was pre-season.


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either you haven't watched him or you have a serious grudge against him.


Neither. I have watched him and he just isn't a very good passer. FIFTY-FOUR percent career completion as a 4-year starter. Never above 60% in any one season. There's no way of explaining that as anything but pretty bad.


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same thing people said about Tebow and Mccoy.


You just listed 2 QBs that were way better in college than Locker has been.


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oesn't take dropped passes into account and other factors


Every QB deals with drops. The "other factors" are he's just not very accurate.


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Geez you really hate Locker. Agree to disagree.


Stating facts is not hating anything. Fact is Newton stats wise was WAY better and clearly by watching the two Newton is a superior passer as well as runner.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:01 pm to
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any half wit can tell Newton is by far better by watching the two play.


in a pro style offense which do you think would be better?

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And Darvin Adams didn't?


agreed he did in every game but Clemson. However, Auburn is a better team and if Darvin wasn't playing well Cam could win the game by himself or use his TE, or #2 WR or even his #3 WR.

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Kearse and Polk are easily as good as Adams and Dyer. All numbers together they look very similar as well.


Auburn plays better competition. No telling what those players would do vs. weaker competition.


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clear out of everyone's Top 10/15?


whose?

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Where? I havent heard about him since the beginning of the season.


every draft website.

stats don't always tell the whole story and I don't think they do in Locker's case. He has had a bad year this year there is no denying that and Wash. in general had a terrible year.

He still has a strong chance to be a 1st rd. pick and some mocks i've seen have him as a top 15 pick.

I don't think we can have a full idea of what Locker is capable of until the Sr. Bowl when he has elite talent around him.



Posted by John Merlyn
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:02 pm to
Cameron
Posted by Dandy Lion
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:08 pm to
Adam, someone who-s never seen him play, or hasn-t the proper criteria to analyze him, is seriously bateing you. Cut lines.

Merry Christmas.
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
21519 posts
Posted on 12/25/10 at 5:09 pm to
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bateing you.


you think?

I can't decide whether he is or not. I think he has seen him play once (say vs. nebraska this year) and made this huge opinion out of him.

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