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re: Jake Bentley > Jacob Eason
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:51 pm to Sunbeam
Posted on 4/4/17 at 2:51 pm to Sunbeam
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what you see as a freshman is the same as what you see when they retire from the NFL 15 or so years later as far as that goes
Your post was solid except for this. I completely disagree. Stafford had a 7/13 TD/INT ratio as a freshman. In 2011, he had over 5000 yards passing and 41 TDs for Detroit.
Eason's ceiling is #1 overall draft pick in 2019. In NFL terms, he compares to someone like Stafford or Flacco, IMO. Not a mobile guy but moves around a little better than people think. Has a fricking bazooka for a throwing arm. Has shown clutch tendencies at times.
Bentley is a smaller guy who is a baller and can find ways to make plays. Think Alex Smith, and that's a good thing. Smith has had a much, much better career than anyone will ever give him credit for.
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Posted on 4/4/17 at 3:22 pm to scrooster
Yes, the Smith kids should both be very good, and in truth, a team doesn't really need more than 4 really good receivers, barring injury. You have that; even though Shi hasn't enrolled yet (I don't believe he has), there is no reason to think he won't be very good.
I do wonder if OrTre is going to become a TE eventually, though. That's a big kid not to have been in a real weight program. Wando is a great school, but football is not really their forte.
Bentley had enough good ones to throw to last year; maybe Deebo was very good. If the OL isn't better this year, he's going to get killed. He may be fast, but he doesn't appear to have any shiftiness.
I do wonder if OrTre is going to become a TE eventually, though. That's a big kid not to have been in a real weight program. Wando is a great school, but football is not really their forte.
Bentley had enough good ones to throw to last year; maybe Deebo was very good. If the OL isn't better this year, he's going to get killed. He may be fast, but he doesn't appear to have any shiftiness.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:04 pm to VADawg
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Bentley is a smaller guy
He's 6'4". That's taller than Stafford. Eason may have a higher ceiling but Bentley was better last season.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:30 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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He's 6'4"
Didn't realize he was 6'4 223. I still stand by my comparisons though
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:31 pm to VADawg
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Your post was solid except for this. I completely disagree. Stafford had a 7/13 TD/INT ratio as a freshman. In 2011, he had over 5000 yards passing and 41 TDs for Detroit.
Ah, but how much of that improvement is because he quit making dumb throws, and how much because he just became a more accurate passer?
My contention is that accuracy is something that is not very amenable to hard work and training. I just don't think they improve in this respect too much as they pass through college.
If it were just a matter of hard work, Tebow would be an all pro in the NFL at qb right now.
Thinking back I watched Russell Wilson's first game at NC State (was against South Carolina). You could see the accuracy as a passer even then.
Also that knack some short qb's like Wilson and Drew Brees have of somehow being able to move or parse the field through the Redwoods is something that can't be taught either I think.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:33 pm to Sunbeam
Improved accuracy also comes with improved footwork and mechanics. Tebow had the worst throwing motion of any NFL starting QB I have ever seen. It looked like a wind up doll.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 4:59 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Carolina probably stronger at WR, UGA stronger at TE. Until Chaney proves that he intends to utilize the TEs in a meaningful capacity, I'm not sure I'm willing to count on high productivity from those TEs though. Nauta had a nice freshman season, but could and likely should have had more opportunities to contribute given the shortage of talent at WR.
I dunno if I agree with you about TEs - it's probably our most loaded position with Crosby (a weapon), Henson (who is going to be incredible - was also a small forward on the basketball team), Hurst (who will play in the NFL), Markway (an enforcer type, nasty and mean, who will eventually play on Sundays) and Pollard.
Let's call us even at that position if you want. Difference is, I think anyways, that Roper and Muschamp actually find ways to employ our TEs into our offense. Pretty sure our TEs had close to 1000 yards receiving last year.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 5:02 pm to scrooster
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I dunno if I agree with you about TEs - it's probably our most loaded position with Crosby (a weapon), Henson (who is going to be incredible - was also a small forward on the basketball team), Hurst (who will play in the NFL), Markway (an enforcer type, nasty and mean, who will eventually play on Sundays) and Pollard.
Let's call us even at that position if you want. Difference is, I think anyways, that Roper and Muschamp actually find ways to employ our TEs into our offense. Pretty sure our TEs had close to 1000 yards receiving last year.
Don't forget Jacob August. He has the size and has looked pretty decent catching the ball.
One thing that does bug me is our Tight Ends don't seem to do a very good job of blocking, in space particularly.
Hurst has the body for it, but I've seen him miss so many blocks in the open field. You don't expect a guy with his above average athletic ability for the position to whiff on so many.
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:28 pm to Lonnie Utah
I thought Kirby would have gone out and found a high profile OC to come in and "learn" Eason the next two years
Posted on 4/4/17 at 8:34 pm to atlgamecockman
I think tha might be the case actually. Eason is one of those"has all the tools for the NFL" guys. and while he will produce while he is here, IDK if it will be to the level everyone thinks. And I dont get that super-competitive drive vibe from him.
I was impressed by Bentley but havent really seen too much of him, but his competitiveness jumped off the screen.
Connor Shaw, McCarron those are the guys BEntley reminds me of.
Final decision: Plausible
I was impressed by Bentley but havent really seen too much of him, but his competitiveness jumped off the screen.
Connor Shaw, McCarron those are the guys BEntley reminds me of.
Final decision: Plausible
Posted on 4/4/17 at 10:55 pm to K9
Bentley has much more potential then those guys. I can see him being a first rounder in a few years if he continues to work hard. He's a good leader and he's got better skills then Shaw and MCarron
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:08 am to atlgamecockman
I would put Eason over Bentley . I think Eason will win more games and get drafted higher in the NFL. Eason played last year with a lot more pressure and expectations then Bentley.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 4:52 am to atlgamecockman
Bentley will be an NFL qb, best we've ever had. That's my prediction anyway plus if we get any kind of defense (muschamps specialty supposedly, I can't tell) we will win the SEC.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 8:58 am to jcolding41
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and hopefully Gibbs will be a rising star.
He's playing DB. Hardman is moving to WR, though, and has the ability to be a playmaker at WR.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:47 am to SamuelClemens
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I thought Kirby would have gone out and found a high profile OC to come in and "learn" Eason the next two years
Kevin Wilson was available. It's irritating that UGA didn't at least kick the tires on him
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:51 am to Sunbeam
No denying Hurst is a hell of a player who took nice steps last year. I think of the ones that have seen the field so far, he's your clear leader. Crosby and Pollard are both like 6'0" (maybe 6'1"?) right? Not saying that undersized TEs can't have success, just interesting that you would have them rated so highly. Crosby obviously was a redzone weapon last year with 4 TDs on something like 25 receptions total... will be curious to see if that continues or if teams will sniff that out quicker.
August and Hinson seem to be the guys that have the more prototypical size for TEs but don't know enough about them. Was August the walk-on who earned a scholly for you guys? Was there a reason that Hinson RS'd last season?
As far as UGA's TE position, we've obviously got Blazevich as a Senior this year who is a likely top 5 TE NFL draft pickup in 18. Jordan Davis (Sr) and Jackson Harris (Jr) have both been very effective when utilized. Then there is the younger crop of Nauta (most productive TE last year, and future NFL talent written all over him) and Woerner (still listed as TE, but Smart has mentioned flexing him out at WR this spring just due to his athleticism - was also set to be a major contributor last season before a high ankle sprain hampered him quite a bit). If a neutral observer had to pick sides, I think they'd take our TEs based on raw ability and measurables, but probably not by a wide margin... and I'll definitely agree with you on the utilization component though Scrooster... if Chaney can't figure out how to get them the ball more effectively, I'm probably going to drink my weight in bourbon several times this season.
August and Hinson seem to be the guys that have the more prototypical size for TEs but don't know enough about them. Was August the walk-on who earned a scholly for you guys? Was there a reason that Hinson RS'd last season?
As far as UGA's TE position, we've obviously got Blazevich as a Senior this year who is a likely top 5 TE NFL draft pickup in 18. Jordan Davis (Sr) and Jackson Harris (Jr) have both been very effective when utilized. Then there is the younger crop of Nauta (most productive TE last year, and future NFL talent written all over him) and Woerner (still listed as TE, but Smart has mentioned flexing him out at WR this spring just due to his athleticism - was also set to be a major contributor last season before a high ankle sprain hampered him quite a bit). If a neutral observer had to pick sides, I think they'd take our TEs based on raw ability and measurables, but probably not by a wide margin... and I'll definitely agree with you on the utilization component though Scrooster... if Chaney can't figure out how to get them the ball more effectively, I'm probably going to drink my weight in bourbon several times this season.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 9:55 am to VADawg
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Kevin Wilson was available. It's irritating that UGA didn't at least kick the tires on him
Yeah... I think Kirby was in a tough spot... once he made the hire of Chaney, he's kind of committed to at least 2 years or it looks like one of his first major decisions was a failure before he even gets his wheels going. I am hoping the bar for what is "acceptable" for Chaney is pretty high this season... even with the OL being what it is, the rest of the offensive talent this season is just too much to excuse poor offensive play this year.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:04 am to fibonaccisquared
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As far as UGA's TE position, we've obviously got Blazevich as a Senior this year who is a likely top 5 TE NFL draft pickup in 18. Jordan Davis (Sr) and Jackson Harris (Jr) have both been very effective when utilized. Then there is the younger crop of Nauta (most productive TE last year, and future NFL talent written all over him) and Woerner (still listed as TE, but Smart has mentioned flexing him out at WR this spring just due to his athleticism - was also set to be a major contributor last season before a high ankle sprain hampered him quite a bit).
UGA's TE situation is likely better than anyone in the country.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:14 am to fibonaccisquared
I think if you look at TE's as a whole I would likely give UGA the edge. However, you're only going to have so many actually see the field on a given play. If we are just looking at those, I'd say it be closer to a push.
Posted on 4/5/17 at 10:14 am to fibonaccisquared
Not going to quibble or make a statement that our talent at TE is better than Georgia's. It is very good though. And I'm reasonably sure we rank no worse than 2nd in the East at that position (no idea what the West has here, but I'm sure Alabama has like 3 guys rated 5 star during recruiting waiting to play).
Will say that I think Georgia is going to regret not signing Pollard. He may be 6'1" but he weighs 240, has good hands, attacks the ball, and is elusive after the catch.
Not great speed, even for tight end. But I think he will be a mismatch player in college ball at least.
My opinion anyway. Think KC Crosby will wind up as an H Back in the pros if he makes it that far. Pretty athletic, but again a wonky size for that position. LB might have been better for him, but he wanted to play TE. Guess Pollard is in the same boat, but I think he will prove to have even better pass catching skills, so who knows?
Will say that I think Georgia is going to regret not signing Pollard. He may be 6'1" but he weighs 240, has good hands, attacks the ball, and is elusive after the catch.
Not great speed, even for tight end. But I think he will be a mismatch player in college ball at least.
My opinion anyway. Think KC Crosby will wind up as an H Back in the pros if he makes it that far. Pretty athletic, but again a wonky size for that position. LB might have been better for him, but he wanted to play TE. Guess Pollard is in the same boat, but I think he will prove to have even better pass catching skills, so who knows?
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