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re: Jadeveon Clowney bench presses less than a punter at the NFL Combine
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:08 am to metafour
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:08 am to metafour
quote:You are merely pointing to combine results in a vacuum. Were the other players you mentioned repeatedly dogged with work ethic issues?
How does it add credence? I just listed like 8 star-caliber NFL DE/OLB's of similar size/build to Clowney who repped out in the same range as Clowney's 21. In fact, many of them actually did less reps than him.
So by conclusion that must mean that every single one of those guys were also clearly lazy in the weight room. Didn't put in enough effort. Right?
The problem is that you guys seem to think that 21 reps is a pathetic number when in reality past results for the position show that that isn't even remotely an accurate conclusion.
Not everyone can be a workout warrior, but Clowney's relative lack of reps could be symptomatic of some larger issues such as a poor work ethic.
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:14 am to ImperialPalace
quote:How do you know he has a poor work ethic? ESPN told ya so? ESPN said Spurrier said something about it being "ok"?
could be symptomatic of some larger issues such as a poor work ethic.
He took plays off? He didn't get double digit sacks and 25+ TFLs?
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:16 am to ImperialPalace
quote:That's actually a good way of putting it. The media built him up, and tore him back down for the masses. A&M fans should be able to recognize when that happens. After all, these are the same people that turned 'JFF' into a walking TMZ shitshow this time last year.
repeatedly dogged with work ethic issues?
Next year it'll be someone else.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:18 am to CockRocket
well, you make some good points. Allow me to retort - based on the evidence at hand, it's far more likely he's a lazy frick than the kicker
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:21 am to CockRocket
If the head ball coach was effusive with his praise for Clowney, then this would be a non-issue. Instead, Spurrier was honest to a fault.
The media generally doesn't care for nuance, so Clowney is either a workhorse or a lazy frick who's wasting so much of his God-given potential.
The media generally doesn't care for nuance, so Clowney is either a workhorse or a lazy frick who's wasting so much of his God-given potential.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:25 am to ImperialPalace
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but Clowney's relative lack of reps could be symptomatic of some larger issues such as a poor work ethic.
But there is no lack of reps. That is the whole fricking point of my post. His 21 reps falls right in line with TOP DE prospects of his size/frame/athletic ability from past drafts. It even falls in line with Kony Ealy in this same draft LMFAO. 15 reps would be a "lack of reps". 21 reps is NOT a "lack of reps". Past history proves that.
If some fricktard Kicker somehow did 40 reps would that make an OL's 35 reps "pathetic" by comparison? The Punter in this case is completely irrelevant. He is really strong...cool. The Punter being abnormally strong doesn't confirm or deny Clowney's supposed laziness LMFAO.
The sad thing is that I'm coming off as some Clowney nut-hugger when all I'm doing is exposing the illogical bending of the truth in this supposed "story".
This post was edited on 2/24/14 at 12:27 am
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:27 am to metafour
quote:This. Unfortunately, Clowney really hasn't had a whole lot to do with this.
all I'm doing is exposing the illogical bending of the truth in this supposed "story".
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:32 am to ImperialPalace
Honest answer to the question guys. This is from his NFL draft profile negatives
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It's the knock on Clowney. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it was his job to erase those doubts at the combine. 21 reps didn't come close to doing it. It's not horrible, but it's definitely disappointing
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Down-to-down effort lacks consistency. Lacks discipline on and off the field and has had to be managed closely since he arrived on campus. Needs to learn what it means to be a pro.
It's the knock on Clowney. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it was his job to erase those doubts at the combine. 21 reps didn't come close to doing it. It's not horrible, but it's definitely disappointing
Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:46 am to tmc94
quote:This post is insane.
It's the knock on Clowney. Is it fair? Maybe, maybe not. But it was his job to erase those doubts at the combine. 21 reps didn't come close to doing it. It's not horrible, but it's definitely disappointing
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Posted on 2/24/14 at 12:59 am to genro
Ziggy Ansah (271 pounds): 21 reps
Seems like 80%+ of elite first round DE's are lazy as frick and clearly lack weight-room dedication.
Seems like 80%+ of elite first round DE's are lazy as frick and clearly lack weight-room dedication.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:19 am to metafour
Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:28 am to Gus Bus Driver
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Gus Bus Driver
quote:shite, if everyone had a work ethic that was "pretty good" and "OK" compared to Marcus Lattimore and two former 1st round picks, the world would be a much better place to live.
Spurrier said on NFL Network's "NFL AM" that Clowney's work habits were "pretty good" and "OK," saying they didn't compare to those of former Gamecocks stars Marcus Lattimore, Stephon Gilmore and Melvin Ingram.
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he had two to three guys waiting on him just about every play," Spurrier said. "His run defense was very good, though. He chased down a bunch of guys and made tackles. His sacks, he had to go around two and three guys just about every game."
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Spurrier said every opponent "had a plan for him. Even if we move him to the right side or the middle, that guy back there would just follow him wherever he went and tried to double-team or triple-team and give his lineman help on just about every pass play."
quote:Spurrier has also gone on record stating he's had to slow down Clowney during practice because he was going too fast/hard and the offense run through the full motions.
He's only 20, I think, right now. He may be 21, I'm not sure. But he's still got some room to muscle up a bit, but he's, again, got that explosiveness that you don't see very often. He's a good team player. We didn't win 11 games three years in a row, most in school history, because of any kind of issues and so forth."
The media has got you hooked on one word, "OK", to get hits on these types of stories. Trying to create a mountain out of a mole hill. I know you must be feeling embarrassed for getting caught up in this shitstorm but you have time to redeem yourself.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 1:33 am to CockRocket
When a coach says you have an "ok" work ethic, its a red flag. I know you are a homer and will defend your Cock no matter what, but JC was lazy as hell this past year. He played it safe and didnt play up to his abilities.
Carry on
Carry on
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:17 am to StringedInstruments
Well, that's just BS. I ain't going to defend clownish because I do think he was lazy this year but you're insane if you don't think arm length doesn't have a huge influence. I'm a pretty tall dude and I notice it all the time. It makes a lot harder but other things it makes a lot easier. I did the calculations once and I found out that in 3 sets if 10 reps, I was lifting the bar somewhere around 20 feet more than a short dude. Also, mass does play a huge effect, no matter the height and he doesn't have as much.
I am not sure how I feel about 23 reps. For one, almost double what I've ever done in one set. One the other hand, after I decided to get back I shape, in about 2 months I went from benching 160 to benching 225 and that was nothing close to a college football weight training system.
I am not sure how I feel about 23 reps. For one, almost double what I've ever done in one set. One the other hand, after I decided to get back I shape, in about 2 months I went from benching 160 to benching 225 and that was nothing close to a college football weight training system.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 2:20 am to Gus Bus Driver
quote:ah I get it, you're just trolling. That is what alters are for though, right?
Gus Bus Driver
You carry on trolling.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:11 am to BamaDoc14
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@McShay13: Don't read into Clowney's 21 BP reps. Studies' have proven no correlation to NFL sucess. Robert Quinn had 22. He's pretty functionally strong.
Except Quinn works hard and Clowney's lazy.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 7:37 am to Mizz-SEC
This "Clowney bench press equals poor work ethic" might be one of the most ridiculous premises I've ever heard.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 9:48 am to Mizz-SEC
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Except Quinn works hard and Clowney's lazy.
... compared to Marcus Lattimore I would say Quinn has an "ok" work ethic as well...
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:49 am to narddogg81
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you hate physics?
It's not the physics aspect that I care about. It's that it's a competition, and you either lift 225 pounds a certain number of times or you don't.
Just like the 40. You either run the fastest time or you don't.
If the NFL (and everyone else watching and discussing it) really cared about arm length when it comes to bench press numbers, there'd be some kind of adjusted measurement to tell who really is the strongest when combining their total lifts with their arm length.
Posted on 2/24/14 at 10:55 am to theGarnetWay
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Oh and Manziel is still slower than Shaw
Which makes it more impressive when he jukes people the way he does.
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