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re: Is there a consensus #2 football program in the SEC, historically?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 6:27 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 7/11/23 at 6:27 pm to DawgsLife
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Like how UGA has historically played by far the SEC’s weakest schedule of the Big 6 teams? Yes that too should be mentioned.quote:
[quote]I'm sure you have a link stating this? or is it more made up stuff? Never mind. It's more made up stuff.
The one Auburn guy actually offered the stuff below. Good info, but one would have to dig really really deep and into out of conference schedules. For example Georgia for years and years played Georgia Tech and three other non-conference games, back when there was a 6 game league schedule. Clemson was one of the other teams a lot of the time, but they sucked pretty hard in the 60s and 70s.
I know that Bear Bryant played a top-level teams when he was at Alabama. I don't know about the rest of the goobers in the Big 6.
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This is a much better way of showing all time conference SOS: Games played against Final AP ranked SEC opponents (1936-2022)
Auburn- 207
Alabama- 192
Florida- 192
LSU- 190
Tennessee- 179
Georgia- 167
This is why just looking at conference titles and conference win% can be very deceiving. Obviously one of these has played historically a much more difficult conference schedule. And another team has played a much easier one.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 6:30 pm
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 6:56 pm to European Man Satchel
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Like how UGA has historically played by far the SEC’s weakest schedule of the Big 6 teams?
My problem was with this statement. Maybe a weaker SEC schedule, but I doubt the easiest overall schedule. GT was a huge power for a long, long time. Clemson, as you pointed out was on our schedule a lot.
Don't get me wrong. Auburn typically plays a tough overall schedule including OOC teams. But those figures provided do not prove we "played by far the SEC’s weakest schedule of the Big 6 teams?" I mean it isn't by far the easiest of all. We are not that far behind Tennessee, when you consider it is over an 86 year period.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:02 pm to JetDawg
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UGA and UT are pretty much even with LSU coming in close behind these two.
It’s UGA, UTk, then LSU
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:24 pm to DawgsLife
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Gee. I wonder why you chose 1979 as the cutoff point. I'm sure there must be a reason. If only I could think.
Gee, probably because I was responding to a post insinuating that Auburn not Florida were not Big 6 until the 1980s. The exact comment:
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To be fair, Big 6 membership has changed greatly over the years. From the SEC's start in 1933 until the 1980s Auburn and Florida had won only 1 SEC title combined
Obviously showing we were easily Top 5 in the SEC at the conclusion of the 1970s is the way to refute that.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:27 pm to MizzouTrue
If we’re talking 2000 until now it’s definitely LSU but Georgia is close.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:27 pm to DawgsLife
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I'm sure you have a link stating this? or is it more made up stuff?
Yes, and I posted it earlier. Here it is again:
LINK
Not hard to throw that info into a pivot table to filter for other things such as wins against SEC big 6 opponents.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:36 pm to AUTiger789
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Obviously showing we were easily Top 5 in the SEC at the conclusion of the 1970s is the way to do that.
A team that had been the best team in the conference exactly 1 time, in 46 years was top 5?
Bama obviously had more
UT had 8
UGA had 7
Ole Miss had 6
LSU had 5
AU had one, like MSU and KY. Less than GT (5)who left the conference 15 years earlier. Less than Tulane (3).
I respect AU history, but it’s hard to say a team that had won the conference so rarely was “easily top 5”
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:41 pm to DawgsLife
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But those figures provided do not prove we "played by far the SEC’s weakest schedule of the Big 6 teams?" I mean it isn't by far the easiest of all.
But it is the easiest.
All-time games played against Final AP ranked teams:
Florida- 314
Alabama- 311
LSU- 307
Auburn- 301
Tennessee- 295
Georgia- 283
Total games played against Final AP ranked SEC teams:
Auburn- 207
Alabama- 192
Florida- 192
LSU- 190
Tennessee- 179
Georgia- 167
Georgia has had the easiest historical SOS among the big 6 anyway you slice it. You can’t argue with facts.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 7:53 pm to Dawgfanman
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A team that had been the best team in the conference exactly 1 time, in 46 years was top 5? Bama obviously had more UT had 8 UGA had 7 Ole Miss had 6 LSU had 5 AU had one, like MSU and KY. Less than GT (5)who left the conference 15 years earlier. Less than Tulane (3).
By your own numbers we were 6th in the SEC in SEC Titles from 1966 onward.
At the conclusion of the 1970s, we were 5th in the SEC in weeks ranked in the AP poll, and we were tied with Tennessee and LSU for second in the SEC in National Titles (behind only Bama).
Weeks ranked in AP Poll (1936-1979, national rank)
7. Alabama- 318
8. Tennessee- 250
13. LSU- 208
15. Ole Miss- 190
16. Auburn- 165
22. Georgia- 135
The point of all of this is that Auburn was Big 6 way before we were the SEC’s top program of the 1980s. There was some loser trying to pretend Auburn wasn’t which is absurd.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:20 am to AUTiger789
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Gee, probably because I was responding to a post insinuating that Auburn not Florida were not Big 6 until the 1980s.
There was no Big Six until the 1980s/90s. Entering the 80s, Auburn had one conference championship while Florida had none. Pat Dye made Auburn into a nationally respected program in the 1980s while Steve Spurrier turned Florida into a powerhouse during the 1990s.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:35 am to AUTiger789
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"played by far the SEC’s weakest schedule of the Big 6 teams?
Does not equal this:
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Georgia has had the easiest historical SOS among the big 6
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You can’t argue with facts.
I don't. You seem to be trying, though.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 5:36 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:56 am to MizzouTrue
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Obviously Alabama has been the most successful.
Just reminds football fans that ALABAMA is to SEC football what Kentucky is to SEC basketball.
Both programs are just historically so far in front of any SEC contender that they just become SEC pretenders.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:27 am to BBQRick
Classic serraneaux
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:49 am to bamameister
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Just reminds football fans that ALABAMA is to SEC football what Kentucky is to SEC basketball.
Both programs are just historically so far in front of any SEC contender that they just become SEC pretenders.
Hey man, we're discussing if there is a consensus #2 football program in SEC history in this thread. It's in the subject of the OP.
I'm happy for you that Bama has been a good football team for a long time, but if you can't stick to the topic, go have too much Bama in ya somewhere else.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:03 am to Oklahomey
You forgot Tulane. Didn’t they win the SEC in the late forties? Just asking, because I’m not sure. But I think they were good during that time.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:06 am to AUTiger789
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I was responding to a post insinuating that Auburn not Florida were not Big 6 until the 1980s.
this isn't rocket science.
The term and concept of "big 6" didn't exist until 1992 when the league split into divisions. You had 3 big boys on one side and 3 on the other. It was the 6 (of 12 at that point) teams that had historically accomplished the most.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:17 am to Tornado Alley
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I'm happy for you that Bama has been a good football team for a long time, but if you can't stick to the topic, go have too much Bama in ya somewhere else.
Then try to pay attention. The discussion has caused me to realize that BAMA is just so much better historically than whatever team measures up to number 2.
I just love it when a good stat line and the truth come together.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:27 am to WG_Dawg
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his isn't rocket science. The term and concept of "big 6" didn't exist until 1992 when the league split into divisions.
Why do you think the SEC chose those six in 1992? Because those six had been the dominant six in the SEC for several decades. Basically when Ole Miss imploded in the mid-60s and GA Tech simultaneously left the league, these six rose to the top.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 8:29 am to MizzouTrue
To answer this question right now I would go with:
1.Alabama
2.LSU
3.Georgia
Everyone else is interchangeable.
1.Alabama
2.LSU
3.Georgia
Everyone else is interchangeable.
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