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re: Is the Big 12 still a power conference?
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:48 am to Monticello
Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:48 am to Monticello
Agreed
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 12:53 am to ford1911
Yes, unfortunately. They still have proximity to the great state of Texas.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:00 am to Monticello
Everybody has expectations but if you choke when it matters the most then you are nothing more then a middle of the pack program. LSU, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida all have something that Missouri couldn't even accomplish before they joined the SEC and that is conference championships. A&M hasn't won anything since 1998 so historically these programs haven't done shite. If you can sit there and tell me that you are putting Missouri and A&M in the same category as LSU, TN, GA and FL you're a damn fool.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:04 am to RT2391
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Everybody has expectations but if you choke when it matters the most then you are nothing more then a middle of the pack program. LSU, Tennessee, Georgia and Florida all have something that Missouri couldn't even accomplish before they joined the SEC and that is conference championships. A&M hasn't won anything since 1998 so historically these programs haven't done shite. If you can sit there and tell me that you are putting Missouri and A&M in the same category as LSU, TN, GA and FL you're a damn fool.
Before the year 2000 I would definitely put A&M and LSU in the same category, and A&M post WW2 was full of shittiness. One coach later and things change. To act like there is some impenetrable wall to the club of greatness is stupid.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 1:04 am to RT2391
At this point in time Mizzou is above and beyond TN, lsu, and FL. You could make that argument for A&M as well. Not everyone sustains success like the crimson bi's.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:01 am to texashorn
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So you insinuate that Texas forced Arkansas out of the SWC?
Texas was looking to leave the conference in the mid 80s. They lied SWC members, Arky and A&M caught wind of it and started talking to the SEC so they didnt get fricked while y'all ran off to do your own thing. Tech and Baylor freaked, got politicians involved and that's how we ended up with the Big 12.
frickin own your shite baw
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:07 am to Dr RC
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:13 am to TeLeFaWx
Yeeee
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Posted on 5/3/15 at 2:35 am to ford1911
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Is the Big 12 still a power conference?
Never was. It was an artificial creation attempting to piece together the remnants of the old SWC with the Big 8 after one particular school drove the SWC into imploding upon itself and dissolving. Even with its recent changes in membership, it's still a very awkward patchwork of a group that lacks any semblance of continuity and cohesiveness.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 5:15 am to ford1911
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I have no love lost toward the Big 12 but it is kinda sad to see what was once a great football conference become a shell of it's former self. I guess they have no one to blame but themselves.
I feel no sads at all for the XII.
When one team treats their conference mates like they're the Washington Generals they deserve what comes to them.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 5:28 am to nebraskafaninwi
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The B1G isn't done. Never have been. The goal has always been 16. It's just a matter of which conference the B1G raides. The B1G Network along with other TV contracts is going to be paying out $50 million dollars plus to each school in the B1G in the coming years. That will be significantly more than any other conference and the stability of the Northeast TV market is going to be appealing to Oklahoma, Florida State, Carolina schools (Duke or North Carolina), etc.
I can't wait to see what kind of hockey team Florida State would run out there in the B1G.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 6:05 am to WestCoastAg
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Meh, rivalries aren't everything. I enjoy a&ms rivaless season as much as I enjoy UCLAs
I have to disagree, rivalries are what make (made?)college football the best sport.
Playing Texas and OU is great, but the rest of the teams in the big 12 do nothing for me.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:38 am to Sevendust912
I guess I am spoiled by the rivalries in the Pac12, but what big rivalries and not being played these days that were played 10 or 20 years ago?
If you have less than a handful I am not sure what the issue is.
If you have less than a handful I am not sure what the issue is.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:40 am to ford1911
Advice. Move on, or move back. No one here even knows that's a conference.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 7:41 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 7:48 am to Mizz-SEC
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When one team treats their conference mates like they're the Washington Generals they deserve what comes to them.
If the departing conference mates had won a few more football national championships (or SEC championships) than the Washington Generals...
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:10 am to hogNsinceReagan
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I made bevo lick my nuts.
And Bevo liked it.....as we all knew he would
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:11 am to RT2391
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If you can sit there and tell me that you are putting Missouri and A&M in the same category as LSU, TN, GA and FL you're a damn fool.
Not historically, but for the last 3 years....sure. Mizzou will eventually decline, but the sky is the limit for aTm. I would already consider aTm to be Big 6 quality in terms of overall program.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:17 am to Dr RC
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frickin own your shite baw
Exactly.
What the Texas fans don't get is that the whole "Nebraska and A&M voted for uneven revenue sharing" actually hurts their argument. We did vote for a system that unevenly paid revenue based on TV appearances. I don't mind admitting that. It was supposed to be a meritocracy. We liked that at first.
But Texas shot meritocracy in the head when they signed that LHN deal, and ESPN was willing to give Kansas an UNEARNED TV appearance just to help LHN distribution. And to do that ESPN traded a Tier 1 spot for a Tier 2 spot with Fox so that game could guaranteed be on the LHN. And it wasn't a one year deal, that was an every year deal.
That is NOTHING like PPV, which takes leftover games as decided during the season based on merit and tries to make a little money on them. The LHN got to pick its "leftover" game before the season began based on what would sell the network. ESPN needed to know what the game would be on the LHN before the season to push the LHN to cable companies. That is how an obvious Tier 2 game with Ole Miss ended up on the LHN instead of Fox Sports 1, ESPN again did a backroom deal with Fox.
Because of the LHN the revenue sharing model the Big 12 operated under from the start was destroyed. What we and Nebraska agreed to was undone. The Big 12 HAD TO move to a model that shared Tier 1 and 2 evenly because the merit was gone- instead was the LHN needed was the new standard.
Texas fans point to those votes as if to say "look, Aggy was greedy too," as if that makes it all right. They ignore that the LHN undid everything the conference was until that point because that makes Texas seem like the bully it was.
The truth is Texas felt like it was owned something for "saving" the Big 12, and so they didn't bother asking anyone's opinion before they signed the contract demanding three games because they felt they were "owed" that. Their plan backfired when the high school games were banned from the network and we actually left, and now they want to be revisionists saying "well everyone in the Big 12 was greedy and we only have one vote."
It is intellectually dishonest bullshite. Its All their fault and everyone knows it. Even if they don't know all I know, they know that the LHN was not a fair deal for everyone.
They tried to build a moat around their brand and it failed. They need to admit and accept that.
This post was edited on 5/3/15 at 8:24 am
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:21 am to oman
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If the departing conference mates had won a few more football national championships (or SEC championships) than the Washington Generals...
What does that have to do with anything?
Does USC frick over Oregon St by giving Washington St extra TV money it never earned? Does a Bama frick over a Vandy in the SEC? Does Ohio St frick over Iowa? The answer to all is no.
Texas is the ONLY major conference anchoring program that acts like it does. That is why conferences keep crumbling around it.
College football isn't capitalism, one team can't win above all because you need good competition to be relevant. Every major program but Texas gets that.
How well we have done, or will do, doesn't matter. What matters is Texas went too far in being selfish and it is paying the price with that shite home schedule.
Posted on 5/3/15 at 8:27 am to cardboardboxer
My favorite quote from realignment....
Larry Scott (PAC 12 commissioner)
Asked in interview with California paper why texass was not extended an invitation, might not be the exact wording but he leveled and fire the head shot to Powers calling Texass liars after he found out texass had been lying to him about A&M and Oklahomas knowledge of texass's scheme
"They (texass) did not fit with the PAC 12's core value of honesty"
Larry Scott (PAC 12 commissioner)
Asked in interview with California paper why texass was not extended an invitation, might not be the exact wording but he leveled and fire the head shot to Powers calling Texass liars after he found out texass had been lying to him about A&M and Oklahomas knowledge of texass's scheme
"They (texass) did not fit with the PAC 12's core value of honesty"
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