re: Is LSU/Ole Miss not a rivalry game?

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I'm saying that national presence, thus national pulse, as a college football power, requires more than never getting out of your own division, much less even Atlanta, and sustaining success longer than a 5-minute egg.

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Presence and Pulse isn't the same as a Power.

Those words don't hold the same weight.

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requires more than never getting out of your own division

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What does this even mean? We won two straight NY6 bowls. I know that isn't a natty but it's not like we went to a fricking Liberty bowl.

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much less even Atlanta,

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Not a working benchmark if the team that DID go to Atlanta won the national championship. By that logic no other team in college football had a national presence/pulse those years.






to shorten this up.....you're being stupid. Stop being stupid.

I thought Arkansas and LSU was a rivalry.

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Here's exactly what you said.

I guess the 2014 and 2015 Rebs, who finished in the top 20 and beat Alabama, didn't have enough of a "pulse" for you

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You are quoting the dude telling me what I didn't say. Check again, Sherlock?

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O was a great recruiter. We had to take a lot of marginal players and remember a lot not making it on campus or past freshman year for off the field issues. Great recruiter but he couldn't get the right coordinators or refrain from micromanaging play calling. He tried to do too much and wasn't equipped to handle it. It's easy to say now but I really don't think he could of ever gotten out of the rut at OM.

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I remember reading that Orgeron at OM would have a 150-play scrimmage on Thursdays. If true, just cutting that out would have made OM better.

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You are quoting the dude telling me what I didn't say. Check again, Sherlock?

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This you?

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You said no Ole Miss team has had a "pulse" since Johnny Vaught, which is objectively false.

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No, No I didn't. I said "national pulse."

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Yeah, it used to have that marquee flavor to it but you had to go back to Johnny Vaught to get an Ole Miss football team with a national pulse. Not that the water boys were setting the world on fire through the 20th century, they weren't as bad as the black bears.

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Johnny Vaught won SEC titles and some rebels claim a national one and sustained football success over many seasons. That is a "national pulse."

Not to be confused with Huge Freeze who never won as much as a division title. Gonna take more accomplishment than that to have me running laps.

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Is LSU/Ole Miss not a rivalry game?
For Ole Miss it has dropped as well, it seems that Arkansas has surpassed LSU in the Ole Miss rivalry mindset.

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No I would say Ole Miss still rates higher than Arkansas. Again, I am in my 50's and fans of my Father, Uncles, generation, etc., Ole Miss along with Tulane were LSU's biggest rival games. So you get a highly ranked Ole Miss team vs. LSU in a ball game and those Old timers are going right back into Diesel/Mac vs. Vaught LSU/Ole Miss rival mode.

I know Tulane is in the AAC but lets assume they would win that league say 1 year and be preseason top 25 and come into to Tiger Stadium and play LSU as OOC game say in week 2 or 3 before SEC play starts for LSU, that game would have a feel like it did back in 60's to early 80's.

I remember in 1984 (Bill Arnsparger's first year of his 3 year tenure) after Tulane had beaten LSU like 3 out of the 5 previous times, an all out bench brawl happened in Tiger Stadium, some coaches were swinging at each other and needed Police to get things under control.

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I thought Arkansas and LSU was a rivalry.

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Hell no

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I just had to google last year's Egg Bowl to make sure we actually won the game.

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The only thing I remember about it is it came down to a last heave to the end zone. Other than that, I think Leach/Kiffin has diffused a lot of the toxicity there use to be. Maybe I'm wrong but it feels that way. Which is actually kind of nice.

It's hard to hate Leach and it feels like if Kiffin is successful, good, he'll probably bolt. Kind of a weird vibe in the fanbases right now or so it seems. But it could also be because Covid play.

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if Kiffin is successful, good, he'll probably bolt

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Good problem to have. His track record shows that he trades up where able. With SEC further seperating itself from the rest of the conferences I wonder where he would go if he built a successful program at Ole Miss? It'd have to be a "blue blood" type program that could outspend an SEC head coach salary. I just don't see too many of those out there for the taking soon. Maybe if someone else bolts to NFL.