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re: Interesting idea on VOLS radio today re: divisions and scheduling
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:12 am to TomRollTideRitter
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:12 am to TomRollTideRitter
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I grew up in Tennessee
How old are you? Up to Fran Curci the UK vs UT was more competitive and nobody cared about Florida prior to Charley Pell. Of course SC was not in the SEC back then and Georgia Tech was still in the SEC and very competitive.
Generally speaking your best rivals are in state schools or border schools where fans can travel in greater numbers.
When the SEC went to 12 they made State a "rival" for Kentucky and State is not close to Kentucky at all.
Triads by distance / border
EAST
Triad #1 = UK, UT, VU
Triad #2 = SC, UGA, UF
Mizzou seems best paired with Hogs
TAMU seems best paired with LSU
AL schools + MS schools
Big difference when you can drive a few hours and return the same day vs having to make it an overnight stay and a day each way. In basketball it was ESPN pushing UK vs UF when the best was UK vs UT (especially as they have the 2 biggest basketball venues in the SEC).
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Posted on 6/2/17 at 7:40 am to Cheese Grits
Cheese grits, every VOLS fan on planet earth under the age of 60 cares infinitely more about beating Florida rather than Kentucky.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:22 am to David Ricky
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For example, Tennessee's three permanent opponents would likely be Alabama, Vanderbilt and either Florida or Kentucky.
I like it.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 9:25 am to East Coast Band
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LSU having to play Bama and Florida every year.
Even though Alabama has had the upper hand of late,no one wants to get rid of Alabama.However only about 5 LSU fans care about the Florida game and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. I'd much rather play SC,Tenn,Ga more often than being stuck with that game each year.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:08 am to David Ricky
It's fantastic. Would make having season tickets SO much more fun.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:09 am to StopRobot
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But that would end the series against MSU, the two closest SEC teams
We'd play every other year. It's not like now where we'd have to wait a decade to play them.
Also, the permanent opponents matter because you want to play every year. However, a team "not" being one only means you play EVERY OTHER year. It's not like now. So, Alabama and LSU play in 2018, 2020, 2022. That's still pretty frequent.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It's fantastic. Would make having season tickets SO much more fun.
Agreed
Posted on 6/2/17 at 10:59 am to David Ricky
I'd stop bitching so much about not having any good OOC games at home if we did this (And went to 9 games)
Theoretically
2018
vs Auburn
vs Mississippi State
vs Missouri
vs Georgia
vs South Carolina
@ Tennessee
@ Texas A&M
@ Kentucky
@ Arkansas
2019
@ Auburn
@ Mississippi State
@ Florida
@ Vanderbilt
@ Missouri
vs Tennessee
vs Arkansas
vs LSU
vs Ole Miss
So in 2 seasons I see the following SEC teams at home :
- Tennessee
- South Carolina
- LSU
- Ole Miss
- Arkansas
- Georgia
- Auburn
- Missouri
- Mississippi State
And within 3 years I've seen everyone.
Yea, sign me the frick up.
Theoretically
2018
vs Auburn
vs Mississippi State
vs Missouri
vs Georgia
vs South Carolina
@ Tennessee
@ Texas A&M
@ Kentucky
@ Arkansas
2019
@ Auburn
@ Mississippi State
@ Florida
@ Vanderbilt
@ Missouri
vs Tennessee
vs Arkansas
vs LSU
vs Ole Miss
So in 2 seasons I see the following SEC teams at home :
- Tennessee
- South Carolina
- LSU
- Ole Miss
- Arkansas
- Georgia
- Auburn
- Missouri
- Mississippi State
And within 3 years I've seen everyone.
Yea, sign me the frick up.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:10 am to Cheese Grits
I'm in college currently, but it's not like I only know college aged people. None of the Vols take Kentucky seriously in football.
If you look at my original list every single one is based on geography except Tennessee Florida.
What good does a triad do when you need three permanent opponents? That means you need four teams- 1 + their three permanent opponents
Alright who else are you pairing those schools with?
I kept both these games in as permanent opponents for UK on my basketball list
If you're going to make an argument, you really need to make a full list. Otherwise you don't know if you'd end up stuck with meaningless permanent games like South Carolina vs Miss State and Ole Miss vs Missouri like we have in basketball.
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Generally speaking your best rivals are in state schools or border schools where fans can travel in greater numbers.
If you look at my original list every single one is based on geography except Tennessee Florida.
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Triads by distance / border
What good does a triad do when you need three permanent opponents? That means you need four teams- 1 + their three permanent opponents
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Mizzou seems best paired with Hogs
TAMU seems best paired with LSU
Alright who else are you pairing those schools with?
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In basketball it was ESPN pushing UK vs UF when the best was UK vs UT
I kept both these games in as permanent opponents for UK on my basketball list
If you're going to make an argument, you really need to make a full list. Otherwise you don't know if you'd end up stuck with meaningless permanent games like South Carolina vs Miss State and Ole Miss vs Missouri like we have in basketball.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 11:12 am to TomRollTideRitter
Yea, Tennessee doesn't give a frick about Kentucky in football.
That includes young people and old people. None of them do.
That includes young people and old people. None of them do.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:19 pm to SummerOfGeorge
That's the beauty of this proposal: if they aren't your three permanents aka your biggest rivals, no biggie. You still see every team in the league AND their stadium/campus within a 4 year period. It's perfect. Tell the NCAA to STFU and give us a waiver to make this league a league again. It would be great!
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:21 pm to phil4bama
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That's the beauty of this proposal: if they aren't your three permanents aka your biggest rivals, no biggie. You still see every team in the league AND their stadium/campus within a 4 year period. It's perfect. Tell the NCAA to STFU and give us a waiver to make this league a league again. It would be great!
Yep. It lets you play teams you don't play much now AND keeps secondary rivalries (for Alabama : MSU, LSU) on the schedule every other year, so you don't totally lose that.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:42 pm to David Ricky
I like it, let's get this approved.
Who would be Bama's 3rd permanent opponent? Miss St?
Who would be Bama's 3rd permanent opponent? Miss St?
Posted on 6/2/17 at 2:49 pm to David Ricky
It's not their idea though... it's by sbnation. And it was posted by cbs a few days ago. LINK
Posted on 6/2/17 at 3:20 pm to David Ricky
I have been saying this since I joined this site and before
I said it a month ago & got many downvotes
don't care if it is 3 or 4
there are only 2 that matter to UGA fans - Florida & Auburn
hell - I might even like it better if everyone only gets 2
whatever - I like this
I said it a month ago & got many downvotes
don't care if it is 3 or 4
there are only 2 that matter to UGA fans - Florida & Auburn
hell - I might even like it better if everyone only gets 2
whatever - I like this
Posted on 6/2/17 at 3:22 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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It's not their idea though... it's by sbnation. And it was posted by cbs a few days ago.
It's a little bit different because SB Nation has pods, but the generally idea behind the setup of the schedule is the same.
Posted on 6/2/17 at 3:54 pm to TomRollTideRitter
Auburn gets Bama, UGA & UF
Aub wants that Florida game back, Gators want it back as well
that's why it needs to be 4 perm opponents, to somewhat balance the schedule
Most Aubs would probably rather have Tenn as their 4th, but would take State to balance the schedule
Here are critical games the SEC would protect IMO:
UGA vs AU
UGA vs UF
Bama vs AU
Bama vs Tenn
LSU vs aTm
LSU vs Ole Miss
Ole Miss vs State
Bama vs State
after that, they'd go with team preferences
THIS is what a 4 permanent rotation would look like:
Bama: Auburn, Tennessee, Miss State & LSU
Ark: LSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou & aTm
AU: Alabama, Florida, Georgia & Miss State
UF: Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee & South Carolina
UK: Tennessee, Vandy, State & South Carolina
UGA: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina & aTm
LSU: Ole Miss, aTm, Bama & Arky
Ole Miss: Vandy, LSU, State & Arky
State: Ole Miss, Bama, Aub & Kentucky
Mizzou: aTm, Arky, Vandy & South Carolina
SC: UGA, UF, Mizzou & Kentucky
Tenn: Bama, Vandy, Florida & Kentucky
TX A&M: LSU, Arky, Mizzou & UGA
Vandy: Tenn, Ole Miss, Kentucky & Mizzou
this pairing preserves the most important SEC games & gets every 4 year student athlete to every campus once & 1 campus twice
Aub wants that Florida game back, Gators want it back as well
that's why it needs to be 4 perm opponents, to somewhat balance the schedule
Most Aubs would probably rather have Tenn as their 4th, but would take State to balance the schedule
Here are critical games the SEC would protect IMO:
UGA vs AU
UGA vs UF
Bama vs AU
Bama vs Tenn
LSU vs aTm
LSU vs Ole Miss
Ole Miss vs State
Bama vs State
after that, they'd go with team preferences
THIS is what a 4 permanent rotation would look like:
Bama: Auburn, Tennessee, Miss State & LSU
Ark: LSU, Ole Miss, Mizzou & aTm
AU: Alabama, Florida, Georgia & Miss State
UF: Auburn, Georgia, Tennessee & South Carolina
UK: Tennessee, Vandy, State & South Carolina
UGA: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina & aTm
LSU: Ole Miss, aTm, Bama & Arky
Ole Miss: Vandy, LSU, State & Arky
State: Ole Miss, Bama, Aub & Kentucky
Mizzou: aTm, Arky, Vandy & South Carolina
SC: UGA, UF, Mizzou & Kentucky
Tenn: Bama, Vandy, Florida & Kentucky
TX A&M: LSU, Arky, Mizzou & UGA
Vandy: Tenn, Ole Miss, Kentucky & Mizzou
this pairing preserves the most important SEC games & gets every 4 year student athlete to every campus once & 1 campus twice
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:15 pm to David Ricky
I like this idea. The only problem I see with it now is for the current Western division teams. Without Alabama coming in every other year, how are they going to sale season tickets? 
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:35 pm to TroyTider
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sale
*sell
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The linc I have is the exact idea.
3 peermanents and 5 teams in even years , 5 in odd years. Top 2 records play for sec.
The only real issue is , NCAA requires leagues with 12 or more teams who have a Conf CG play in divisions. The rule changed last year allowed for leagues with 10 or fewer teams to play round robin and the top 2 teams. The B12 would have had to appeal for divisions
3 peermanents and 5 teams in even years , 5 in odd years. Top 2 records play for sec.
The only real issue is , NCAA requires leagues with 12 or more teams who have a Conf CG play in divisions. The rule changed last year allowed for leagues with 10 or fewer teams to play round robin and the top 2 teams. The B12 would have had to appeal for divisions
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