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re: I'm a bit unfamiliar with the SEC.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Auburn has less SEC TITLES, National title, trails in the LSU vs Auburn series
Completely irrelevant because I was referring to
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wins all time
Which I already said was wrong.
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Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:25 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I'm a bit unfamiliar with the SEC.
Bathrooms down the hall and to the right. bundy always prefers you take the stall with the hole in the partition. Welcome
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:46 pm to Wolfpacleader
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However, I do know a decent bit about football history, and I know enough to know that LSU didnt become a part of the big 6 in the 90s, as almost anyone on this board could tell you.
Since the "Big 6" was established in 1992 and LSU did not become part of it in the 90s (as you say), when exactly did LSU become part of the big 6?
Prior to about 2007 50% of all SEC championships were between Alabama and UTk. The next in that line (prior to Coach Bryant's death in 1983) was UGA. Next in line was Ole Miss.
In the early 1980's Auburn began their run to the top tier followed a few years later by LSU. Those two runs pushed Ole Miss out of the top half of the SEC. UF started thier run to the top tier with the arrival of Coach Superior.
Now since you stated your personal knowledge does not start until the 90s, you have no basis from which to argue history.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:48 pm to tylerdurden24
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UGA is #3 all time in the conference behind Bama and Tennessee. Auburn probably takes the lead in terms of past 20 years with Cam. Without Cam, we're probably slightly even
#3 in what?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:50 pm to TheSandman
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We're ahead of LSU historically.
We want the East because of old rivalries with Tennersee and Florida that were killed because of the division split, and the Georgia game appears to be in jeopardy.
They have more national titles though.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:52 pm to TeLeFaWx
OM........but they only have 55% of the victories....and State claims the longest win streak.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 1:58 pm to USMC Gators
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:01 pm to USMC Gators
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4. UT
5. Auburn
I would expect that to change here before too long.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:04 pm to TheSandman
Well I put UT at #4 because they have more SEC titles.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:07 pm to T Rey WI
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Prior to about 2007 50% of all SEC championships were between Alabama and UTk. The next in that line (prior to Coach Bryant's death in 1983) was UGA. Next in line was Ole Miss.
In the early 1980's Auburn began their run to the top tier followed a few years later by LSU
For someone who is acting like a historian on SEC football you sure dont know much do you. Prior to 2007 LSU had 9 SEC championships 2 NCs (3 if you count 1908). Auburn had 6 SEC titles and 1 NC. Ole Miss had 6 SEC titles and no poll NCs. LSU has never been behind Ole Miss or Auburn even prior to 2000.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:07 pm to T Rey WI
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Since the "Big 6" was established in 1992 and LSU did not become part of it in the 90s (as you say), when exactly did LSU become part of the big 6?
Prior to about 2007 50% of all SEC championships were between Alabama and UTk. The next in that line (prior to Coach Bryant's death in 1983) was UGA. Next in line was Ole Miss.
In the early 1980's Auburn began their run to the top tier followed a few years later by LSU. Those two runs pushed Ole Miss out of the top half of the SEC. UF started thier run to the top tier with the arrival of Coach Superior.
Now since you stated your personal knowledge does not start until the 90s, you have no basis from which to argue history.
LSU was 10th in all time wins in 1980, and has 2 recognized national titles from before that time. But keep on thinking because you are older that you actually know what you are talking about.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 2:28 pm to Wolfpacleader
How come LSU doesn't claim 1908? The NCAA says it's good.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:07 pm to Wolfpacleader
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Wolfpacleader
Again I will ask, when exactly did LSU become part of the "Big 6" since (as you said) it was not in the 90s?
Prior to 1992 Alabama/UTk/UGA were viewed as the big 3. Yes Cholly Mac did a great job of putting LSU in the conversation but Auburn and LSU did not distance themselves from Ole Miss until the late 1970's/early 1980's (in part because Ole Miss fell off and in part because LSU/Auburn continued to step it up).
My comments were not meant as a dis to LSU but as an explanation of what happened to Ole Miss and where the "Big 6" came from.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:27 pm to T Rey WI
Meh. It is all moot. Aggie is here to crash the party.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:28 pm to TeLeFaWx
Welcome to the party.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:35 pm to Wolfpacleader
I understand that your view of LSU is tinted by what you experienced in your first 20 years as a fan. In those 20 years LSU has been a power on the SEC and national stages. In much the same way, my view of LSU is tinted by my 1st 20 years as an Alabama fan and in those 20 years I think Ole miss beat Bama 3 times and LSU beat Bama only 2 times (maybe 3 but I don't care enough to bother looking it up).
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:38 pm to T Rey WI
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I understand that your view of LSU is tinted by what you experienced in your first 20 years as a fan. In those 20 years LSU has been a power on the SEC and national stages. In much the same way, my view of LSU is tinted by my 1st 20 years as an Alabama fan and in those 20 years I think Ole miss beat Bama 3 times and LSU beat Bama only 2 times (maybe 3 but I don't care enough to bother looking it up).
Contrary to alabama fans belief beating bama does not measure the worth of a program.
ETA if it did ULM and Tech would be 1a and 1b
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:42 pm to T Rey WI
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Again I will ask, when exactly did LSU become part of the "Big 6" since (as you said) it was not in the 90s?
Wow, didn't know it was possible to fit that much ignorance into one post, but you managed.
The term "big six" didn't have an officially designated starting date. It became a convenient way to distinguish between the schools that could actually win the SEC in the modern age and the ones that couldn't, and was first commonly used in the 1980s to refer to the six teams that had won all of the SEC titles since 1963. In fact, all six had won multiple titles during that time.
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Prior to 1992 Alabama/UTk/UGA were viewed as the big 3
No. By 1992, well, see above.
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Yes Cholly Mac did a great job of putting LSU in the conversation
Wow. More. Unbelievable. Charles McClendon won all of ONE conference championship in his 18 years at LSU, and was gone after the 1979 season. Paul Dietzel won two SEC and one national title in the four years before McClendon took over. And of course, prior to that there was Bernie Moore (who won LSU's first two SEC titles in the '30s) and you can go even further back to the 1908 "national champions" (not claimed by LSU for some reason).
After McClendon was gone, we won two more SEC titles in the 1980s (really deserved a third in 1984, but the SEC vacated it instead of awarding to the next highest team when Florida was stripped of it). We had four times the SEC championships in the 4 years before and nine years after McClendon than we did in his 18 years.
McClendon was a pretty good and pretty consistent coach, but to say he "put us in the conversation" is showing your ignorance. And it wasn't until the 1980s that Georgia passed LSU (barely) in the all-time SEC standings.
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LSU did not distance themselves from Ole Miss until the late 1970's/early 1980's
As for "distancing ourselves" from Ole Miss, we have always led our series with them, have always led them in basically every category that you can dream up, and have continued to stretch that lead out over the years. Ole Miss had a good run for about 15 years in the 50s and 60s, but otherwise has not been in LSU's league.
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My comments were not meant as a dis to LSU but as an explanation of what happened to Ole Miss and where the "Big 6" came from.
Getting at least part of the story right might have helped get that message across better.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:46 pm to Adam Banks
You are absolutely right, my crimson glasses may have alterred my view of LSU's worth. Since the 20 year window I was talking about was 1963 ~ 1982 could your remind me of all of the National titles that LSU collected in that window to show their worth?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 3:48 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Ole Miss or State?
Auburn or Georgia?
Vanderbilt or Arkansas?
Ole Miss
UGA
and Vandy is a founding member, not even a contest
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