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Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:45 am to DyeHardDylan
Lane Kiffin is a fantastic recruiter, a great quarterbacks coach, and an underrated offensive coordinator. The only way this turns out poorly for Alabama is if Kiffin can't adapt to being an assistant coach after being the head guy for the last 7 seasons.
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:50 am to DyeHardDylan
X's and O's I'd say it's a solid hire but not a grand slam.
Just bizarre to me really. Everyone has to admit that if it turns out poorly they wouldn't be shocked.
It's made for good people watching all around to see the reactions though
Just bizarre to me really. Everyone has to admit that if it turns out poorly they wouldn't be shocked.
It's made for good people watching all around to see the reactions though
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:50 am to Guava Jelly
had nothing to do with the plays and them scoring 55 - 60 pts a game ok I'll continue this discussion when you understand how an OC impacts a game with play calls, gameplan etc
@BigEd nWo coming back together (Orgeron will be Bama's next hire as DL coach once Rumph takes another job) getting the gang back together
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:53 am to BuccWildBammer
Ill call your Orgeron and raise you a Juluke 
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:54 am to BuccWildBammer
Saban, Kiffin, and YawYaw on the same staff could be a damn sitcom.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:56 am to ohiovol
quote:Refreshingly, an honest opinion from a non-Bama poster.
Lane Kiffin is a fantastic recruiter, a great quarterbacks coach, and an underrated offensive coordinator. The only way this turns out poorly for Alabama is if Kiffin can't adapt to being an assistant coach after being the head guy for the last 7 seasons.
There are areas of worry for Bama folks, and this is definitely one of them, but Coach Saban was hired to handle this type of thing, and his track record has been pretty good to this points, so I'm thinking the week that Kiffin spent in Tuscaloosa, gave CNS what he needed to be comfortable....and if CNS is comfortable, then I'm comfortable.
As for the rest of the college football world, I'd be "concerned".
Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:56 am to BigEdLSU
That at least helps LSU, but Burns is still on staff, however these new hires and staff shake-up while it will likely help overall recruiting efforts, doesn't really put another La guy on staff
So that's a positive for LSU I guess
I'm just gonna hold all criticism till I see his O in action
Saban took a chance no doubt about that but he felt like he needed too
So that's a positive for LSU I guess
I'm just gonna hold all criticism till I see his O in action
Saban took a chance no doubt about that but he felt like he needed too
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 8:58 am to BuccWildBammer
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had nothing to do with the plays and them scoring 55 - 60 pts a game ok
SARKESIAN
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I'll continue this discussion when you understand how an OC impacts a game with play calls, gameplan etc
And I'll continue when you read and comprehend the posts of others.
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:03 am to BuccWildBammer
quote:You keep saying stuff like this but they had the most talented team in the nation and were playing a high school schedule. I just don't get the infatuation with him. You guys hated him until Bama hired him and now he's the Golden Child to a lot of you.
He had 2 1k yd rushers, 3k yd passer, 1k yd WR in one of the most prolific and productive offenses in the history of college football
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:03 am to DyeHardDylan
Let's see.
Total Offense, National Rank, Record with Kiffin:
USC 2004 before Kiffin - 6001 yds, #9, 13-0 Nat Champs
USC 2005 with Kiffin - 7643 yds, #1, 12-1
USC 2006 with Kiffin - 5203 yds #27, 11-2
USC 2007 after Kiffin - 5795 yds, #27, 11-2
USC 2008 after Kiffin - 5911 yds, #13, 12-1
USC 2009 after Kiffin - 5058 yds, #49, 9-4
USC 2010 Layla - 5609 yds, #28, 8-5
USC 2011 Layla - 5481 yds, #33, 10-2
USC 2012 Layla - 5628 yds, #38, 7-6
USC 2013 Kiffin - 3-2 (lost 62-41 to Arizona, Kiffin He Gone)
USC 2013 After Kiffin - 7-2
UT 2008 before Kiffin - 3225 yds, #116 out of 120, 5-7
UT 2009 Kiffin - 4985 yds, #52, 7-6
UT 2010 Kiffin He Gone - 4729 yds, #68, 6-7
Total Offense, National Rank, Record with Kiffin:
USC 2004 before Kiffin - 6001 yds, #9, 13-0 Nat Champs
USC 2005 with Kiffin - 7643 yds, #1, 12-1
USC 2006 with Kiffin - 5203 yds #27, 11-2
USC 2007 after Kiffin - 5795 yds, #27, 11-2
USC 2008 after Kiffin - 5911 yds, #13, 12-1
USC 2009 after Kiffin - 5058 yds, #49, 9-4
USC 2010 Layla - 5609 yds, #28, 8-5
USC 2011 Layla - 5481 yds, #33, 10-2
USC 2012 Layla - 5628 yds, #38, 7-6
USC 2013 Kiffin - 3-2 (lost 62-41 to Arizona, Kiffin He Gone)
USC 2013 After Kiffin - 7-2
UT 2008 before Kiffin - 3225 yds, #116 out of 120, 5-7
UT 2009 Kiffin - 4985 yds, #52, 7-6
UT 2010 Kiffin He Gone - 4729 yds, #68, 6-7
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:07 am to Guava Jelly
As for LK being a great recruiter, do remember that Oregron was on every college football staff LK was on. And ESPN just ran a stat showing LK's total offense stats when he was a HC & they are nothing to write home bout. One team made the top 24 and that was the best he ever had.He's never had any one control him like Saban will do,either. Which is why I laugh at all the criticism against Nussmeier: he ran the offense Saban told him to run. Saban controls everything to do with his "process" & obviously his offense game plan tops the list of any game day planning.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:12 am to DyeHardDylan
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. His offenses at USC were jawdroppingly good,
As a big fan of Norm Chow I take issue with that opinion. The decline of USC began when Carroll allowed his jealousy of the attention Chow received to edge Norm out the door and replace him with lesser options.
By analogy LSU replaced Jimbo Fisher with lesser offensive coordinators who didn't develop QBs or players in general as well and the descent of the LSU offensive program hit hard by 2009
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:15 am to Keltic Tiger
Anything has to be an upgrade from nuss.
He lost the games for them the last few years IMO.
Got a rb on fire? BENCH HIM
He lost the games for them the last few years IMO.
Got a rb on fire? BENCH HIM
Posted on 1/11/14 at 9:18 am to BigEdLSU
Nuss loved to keep forcing things that weren't working and ignore those that were.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:42 am to Guava Jelly
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Guava Jelly
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No it didn't. Aside from the 08 season, Tenn's offend was pretty prolific. Kiffin really didn't do anything to improve that.
This is possibly the dumbest remark in this whole thread. Teams prior to 2008 weren't saddled with Jonathan fricking Crompton at QB. Kiffin took a guy who was crap and turned him into a damn good SEC QB who was actually drafted. He helped Montario Hardesty become a absolute beast, gaining over 1300. Kiffin took the steaming pile of shite he inherited on offense and increased their offensive production over 100 yards a game. If you can't see the obvious improvement offensively at Tennessee under Kiffin, there's just no helping you.
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Posted on 1/11/14 at 10:54 am to BamaGradinTn
Lane is a serviceable OC and from an X's and O's stand point its an OK hire. The real issue for Bama's program is whether he can bow down to the master. Saban is a hard driving task master and he won't take one ounce of shite off that smug bastard. Can Lane deal with being put in his place on a regular basis? Pete Carrol is nothing like Saban.
The great thing for the rest of the SEC is the fact that Lane will cheat his arse off on the recruiting trail and won't give a shite if he burns bridges or not. The man has NO loyalty to anyone except the man he looks at in the mirror. It is likely he'll get the REC/Bama in a position that it'll be hard to buy or explain their way out of and do his best to burn that program to the ground on his way out of town.
He is who he is - not even Saban can change that.
The great thing for the rest of the SEC is the fact that Lane will cheat his arse off on the recruiting trail and won't give a shite if he burns bridges or not. The man has NO loyalty to anyone except the man he looks at in the mirror. It is likely he'll get the REC/Bama in a position that it'll be hard to buy or explain their way out of and do his best to burn that program to the ground on his way out of town.
He is who he is - not even Saban can change that.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:04 am to DyeHardDylan
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His offenses at USC were jawdroppingly good,
Huh? Are you retarded?
His offenses at USC were mediocre to shitty...2010-2013.
BTW, 2005 wasn't Lane Kiffin's offense. It was the Norm Chow/Pete Carroll hybrid offense...
Lane and Sark just got to call some plays. Lane didn't create jack shite.
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:13 am to BuccWildBammer
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Last time (05) he was a standalone OC, USCw was easily one of the most prolific offenses in the history of college football
He literally was never a standalone OC
Posted on 1/11/14 at 11:21 am to DyeHardDylan
Its the perfect opportunity for Kiffin to become relevant again. He will 1) have a lot of talent to work with, 2) wont have to be the top dog, and 3) will be out of the spotlight.
Lets be perfectly honest here for a second. The criticisms of Lane Kiffin have never been Xs and Os. They have been his lack of humility(which he was been humbled in a big way) and his lack of leadership.
At Bama, Saban is the clear leader. I would think that Kiffin has learned a lot from his mistakes and his failures.
Not that there isnt any, but I cant think of many other coordinators out there that fit what Bama does on offense and are obviously better Xs and Os coaches thank Kiffin.
Lets be perfectly honest here for a second. The criticisms of Lane Kiffin have never been Xs and Os. They have been his lack of humility(which he was been humbled in a big way) and his lack of leadership.
At Bama, Saban is the clear leader. I would think that Kiffin has learned a lot from his mistakes and his failures.
Not that there isnt any, but I cant think of many other coordinators out there that fit what Bama does on offense and are obviously better Xs and Os coaches thank Kiffin.
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