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re: How the hell did Jake Coker get a Senior Bowl invite over Brandon Allen?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 6:19 am to Gladius Veritas
Posted on 12/16/15 at 6:19 am to Gladius Veritas
Arm strength is important at the NFL level. They take fliers on guys all the time that can make "all the throws". Why does this piss people off every year? Brandon Allen has a shitty arm.
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Posted on 12/16/15 at 6:52 am to Gladius Veritas
He is from Mobile and will sell more tickets.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 7:33 am to genro
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Kliff Kingsbury would be GOAT quarterbacks prospects
Kliff won a super bowl as 3rd string in New England.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 7:54 am to Gladius Veritas
Undefeated as a starter, SEC champ, playoff bound. Meh, I'm not even mad.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:36 am to ocelot4ark
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Essentially, the 20 QB sneaks for TD's was enough to convince a bunch of retards.
Ocelot4ark: You win for the most uninformed post of the year.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:40 am to Gladius Veritas
I think if Coker got an invite, BA defiantly deserves one. Coker has been great as of late.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:43 am to KiffinsVisor
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I think if Coker got an invite, BA defiantly deserves one. Coker has been great as of late.
It's not about recent production, it's about arm strength. At no point through out their respective college careers would I ever say that Jay Cutler was better than Colt McCoy. Jay Cutler will always be a better QB than Colt McCoy.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:49 am to Mizzou to my Lou
Y'all really are a bunch of whiny jealous peanut gallery fans.
Phil Savage is not the only decision maker on who gets invited to the Senior Bowl. Let me give you a little insight from someone who is very involved in the Senior Bowl every year. I used to be on the board and was a part of the initial process of identifying candidates for the committee that eventually hired Phil. We have been a sponsor and are involved in all kinds of efforts related to the Senior Bowl.
FIRST, the Senor Bowl is not a reward for a good season. It just isn't. It is all about the NFL.
The NFL participation is extremely high. The Senior Bowl selection committee, which is composed of staff, NFL team representatives, and Phil, rates players in several categories. One of the chief criteria is NFL interest.
Look, there is strong emphasis on time as in not wasting it on players they are not interested in. The Senior Bowl is regarded as one of the most important elements in a player's evaluation for NFL readiness. They spend nearly a week with these guys, and the extensive and intensive focus is second to none. You don't invest that in players who are not going to have a high probability of success in the NFL.
There is some latitude to fill spots. In other words, if a number can't or won't participate for whatever reason, the committee can fill in spots with players who need a good senior bowl to prove they are draft-worthy. This is a very important element as well and has resulted in several success stories for draft choices, scout team players, etc.
As for Alabama players, it is just a fact that they have more talent nowadays and they develop players well there, so naturally, those who stay in school until they are seniors are highly likely to be good prospects.
Does it help that Coker is a Mobile guy? Sure, it pleases the sponsors to have a sellout. Was he chosen over another guy the NFL wanted to evaluate because he is an Alabama or Mobile guy? Not on your life.
Phil Savage is not the only decision maker on who gets invited to the Senior Bowl. Let me give you a little insight from someone who is very involved in the Senior Bowl every year. I used to be on the board and was a part of the initial process of identifying candidates for the committee that eventually hired Phil. We have been a sponsor and are involved in all kinds of efforts related to the Senior Bowl.
FIRST, the Senor Bowl is not a reward for a good season. It just isn't. It is all about the NFL.
The NFL participation is extremely high. The Senior Bowl selection committee, which is composed of staff, NFL team representatives, and Phil, rates players in several categories. One of the chief criteria is NFL interest.
Look, there is strong emphasis on time as in not wasting it on players they are not interested in. The Senior Bowl is regarded as one of the most important elements in a player's evaluation for NFL readiness. They spend nearly a week with these guys, and the extensive and intensive focus is second to none. You don't invest that in players who are not going to have a high probability of success in the NFL.
There is some latitude to fill spots. In other words, if a number can't or won't participate for whatever reason, the committee can fill in spots with players who need a good senior bowl to prove they are draft-worthy. This is a very important element as well and has resulted in several success stories for draft choices, scout team players, etc.
As for Alabama players, it is just a fact that they have more talent nowadays and they develop players well there, so naturally, those who stay in school until they are seniors are highly likely to be good prospects.
Does it help that Coker is a Mobile guy? Sure, it pleases the sponsors to have a sellout. Was he chosen over another guy the NFL wanted to evaluate because he is an Alabama or Mobile guy? Not on your life.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 9:55 am to TheRaid
Sorry if germans but is it a given that Coker is going pro?
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:01 am to TeLeFaWx
You say he has no arm strength but he made a pass for a td to Mc that was the best pass I've seen him make. between two d-backs one who saw the pass coming but could not reach the ball before it was by him. That pass showed all the arm strength he will need. And if he had one more year under Kiffen he could move up in the draft.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:02 am to TeLeFaWx
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Arm strength is important at the NFL level. They take fliers on guys all the time that can make "all the throws". Why does this piss people off every year? Brandon Allen has a shitty arm.
Actually Allen has a strong arm. Not Flacco or Mallett, but very much NFL adequate.
Someone asked Savage why Coker over Allen:
Brandon Hopkins ?@dpiggler 19h19 hours ago
@BobHoltADG @NWAHutch Disappointed in this @SeniorBowlPhil. Makes no sense for Coker to be in Mobile over Allen.
His response:
Phil Savage
?@SeniorBowlPhil
@dpiggler @BobHoltADG @NWAHutch Fact: every Alabama QB w/ pro aspirations since 1958 has been in @seniorbowl except Stabler and McCarron
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:38 am to Herman Frisco
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You say he has no arm strength but he made a pass for a td to Mc that was the best pass I've seen him make. between two d-backs one who saw the pass coming but could not reach the ball before it was by him. That pass showed all the arm strength he will need. And if he had one more year under Kiffen he could move up in the draft.
You hyper defensive gump, I'm talking about Brandon Allen, not Coker. Coker has an NFL arm, and even though he's not that great in anyway he will get a look at.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:41 am to Don Johnson
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Actually Allen has a strong arm. Not Flacco or Mallett, but very much NFL adequate.
I disagree, depending on your definition of the the word adequate. He has a Colt McCoy arm. Enough to win a game here and there so in that sense it's somewhat adequate, but not enough to threaten vertically and build an NFL offense around. So inadequate, IMO.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:41 am to Gladius Veritas
Coker is literally the perfect practice squad QB, based on his physical attributes.
Of course, if he balls out in Mobile, and can show his problems on tape are because of Saban's insistence on "game management" hamstringing his development, which I think is possible, he may work his way up to the end of the 5th round.
When talking about draft prospects, you can't ignore how weak this QB class is. Its atrocious. I think Brandon Allen will get drafted because of it too.
**The real answer is what many others have already said.
Senior QB, who started for Alabama, led them to the cfp, made some plays that people love him for, and is from Mobile. He is easily worth an extra 10,000 more people in attendance than what Brandon Allen would bring in.
Of course, if he balls out in Mobile, and can show his problems on tape are because of Saban's insistence on "game management" hamstringing his development, which I think is possible, he may work his way up to the end of the 5th round.
When talking about draft prospects, you can't ignore how weak this QB class is. Its atrocious. I think Brandon Allen will get drafted because of it too.
**The real answer is what many others have already said.
Senior QB, who started for Alabama, led them to the cfp, made some plays that people love him for, and is from Mobile. He is easily worth an extra 10,000 more people in attendance than what Brandon Allen would bring in.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:42 am to Don Johnson
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Phil Savage
?@SeniorBowlPhil
@dpiggler @BobHoltADG @NWAHutch Fact: every Alabama QB w/ pro aspirations since 1958 has been in @seniorbowl except Stabler and McCarron
so basically the senior bowl is for seniors at alabama schools. if alabama schools don't have decent players in specific positions then players from other may be invited. 
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:43 am to TeLeFaWx
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Brandon Allen has a shitty arm.
I mean you can say he doesn't have the same arm strength as Coker but you are just ignorant if you say he has a shitty arm.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:48 am to rockiee
Neither are good pro prospects.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:49 am to TheRaid
quote:Thanks for posting this Raid.
Y'all really are a bunch of whiny jealous peanut gallery fans.
Phil Savage is not the only decision maker on who gets invited to the Senior Bowl. Let me give you a little insight from someone who is very involved in the Senior Bowl every year. I used to be on the board and was a part of the initial process of identifying candidates for the committee that eventually hired Phil. We have been a sponsor and are involved in all kinds of efforts related to the Senior Bowl.
FIRST, the Senor Bowl is not a reward for a good season. It just isn't. It is all about the NFL. The NFL participation is extremely high. The Senior Bowl selection committee, which is composed of staff, NFL team representatives, and Phil, rates players in several categories. One of the chief criteria is NFL interest. Look, there is strong emphasis on time as in not wasting it on players they are not interested in.
The Senior Bowl is regarded as one of the most important elements in a player's evaluation for NFL readiness. They spend nearly a week with these guys, and the extensive and intensive focus is second to none. You don't invest that in players who are not going to have a high probability of success in the NFL. There is some latitude to fill spots. In other words, if a number can't or won't participate for whatever reason, the committee can fill in spots with players who need a good senior bowl to prove they are draft-worthy. This is a very important element as well and has resulted in several success stories for draft choices, scout team players, etc. As for Alabama players, it is just a fact that they have more talent nowadays and they develop players well there, so naturally, those who stay in school until they are seniors are highly likely to be good prospects.
Does it help that Coker is a Mobile guy? Sure, it pleases the sponsors to have a sellout. Was he chosen over another guy the NFL wanted to evaluate because he is an Alabama or Mobile guy? Not on your life.
This post was edited on 12/16/15 at 10:51 am
Posted on 12/16/15 at 10:52 am to Kraven Moorehed
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Neither are good pro prospects.
Not anything in top 5 rounds but BA improved his draft stock alot this season. After last season he would of been lucky to get signed as a free agent but I think he will probably sneak in the draft somewhere toward the end. This is also a weak QB draft that might see some QBs go higher then they should.
Posted on 12/16/15 at 5:27 pm to rockiee
Savage: Brandon Allen is one of our top alternates. There’s a lot that can happen between now and game week.
Savage: Every Alabama quarterback since 1958 has been invited to the Senior Bowl. That predates my tenure.
Savage: The Senior Bowl is in Mobile, Ala. Jake Coker is a Mobile-native. We’ve got a game and tickets to sell.
Savage: I certainly can see Brandon Allen getting an opportunity in the NFL. I think he’ll be drafted at some point.
Savage: Every Alabama quarterback since 1958 has been invited to the Senior Bowl. That predates my tenure.
Savage: The Senior Bowl is in Mobile, Ala. Jake Coker is a Mobile-native. We’ve got a game and tickets to sell.
Savage: I certainly can see Brandon Allen getting an opportunity in the NFL. I think he’ll be drafted at some point.
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