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re: How is Ole Spice getting away with it?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:21 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:21 pm to cardboardboxer
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No, most have to be pretty transparent and fulfill FOI requests.
I dont think you understand how public entities vs actual government institutions work.
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My understanding is he denied every allegation that wasn't firmly documented, so we were left to believe that MSU (and ONLY MSU) offered him money for Cam's services and he went to Auburn for free despite that. Anyone with a brain can figure that if MSU was willing to pay Cam didn't go to Auburn for free. But Cam and Auburn got the benefit of the doubt.
Again what did he not comply with? quote:
Just greater power overall could have scared Auburn into forcing Cam's dad to admit more.
I dont think you understand how this works either.
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a NCAA with the power I describe could have forced JFF to admit to signing autographs for money
umm no they couldnt quote:
I could keep going but you get the point
Your point is invalid and lacking reasoning as to how what you are asking for actually works
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:22 pm to cardboardboxer
Dear cardboard,
Please stop with your bad ideas and walls of text. Your argument is flawed and you are not going to win tInternet battle.
Please stop with your bad ideas and walls of text. Your argument is flawed and you are not going to win tInternet battle.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:22 pm to cardboardboxer
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Damn, you Auburn fans are really defensive about the situation STILL.
well when you make idiotic and uniformed comments like this ^^ and
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We all know Cecil used the church as a legal shield to protect whatever money was paid to get Cam to go to Auburn.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:34 pm to NYCAuburn
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I dont think you understand how public entities vs actual government institutions work.
The NCAA is not a government institution. But many universities are.
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umm no they couldnt
Back in 1988 we ran off Jackie, easily our most successful coach in decades at the time, just because of the fear that the NCAA would SMU us (even though in the long run they didn't have enough evidence to keep him out of coaching).
A 1988 Texas A&M would have sat JFF to avoid a possible major punishment. A 2013 A&M surrounded him with lawyers and said "come at me bro." That is my point.
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Your point is invalid and lacking reasoning as to how what you are asking for actually works
What I am asking for? I keep saying I don't want a tougher NCAA. You know what, nevermind. It doesn't matter, the NCAA is not going to get tougher so it's pointless to speculate how they could.
Honestly I think lawsuits will tear apart the facade of amateurism within the sport in the next ten years.
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well when you make idiotic and uniformed comments like this
Oh, I will certainly remember that talking point next time I want to ruffle some Auburn feathers. I haven't wanted to up to this point because I like Auburn, but you never know.
Have a nice day.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:35 pm to JesusQuintana
I like that name, Ole Spice. That's funny. Sad, but that's mississippi for ya.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:35 pm to DarthRebel
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Please stop with your bad ideas and walls of text.
I was going to post some sort of snarky response about you being jelly of my superior word skillz, but honestly the "Dear cardboard" part made me laugh. So thank you for making me laugh.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:36 pm to hehatedrew
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ncaa is a bunch of gheys and are scared
Are they from Texas A&M?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:40 pm to cardboardboxer
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The NCAA is not a government institution. But many universities are.
Universities are public institutions, which have similar authorities and powers like a normal business, they are not the law or any other similar government institution. My employer example is how it would be(what you want) at a university
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Back in 1988 we ran off Jackie, easily our most successful coach in decades at the time, just because of the fear that the NCAA would SMU us (even though in the long run they didn't have enough evidence to keep him out of coaching).
A 1988 Texas A&M would have sat JFF to avoid a possible major punishment. A 2013 A&M surrounded him with lawyers and said "come at me bro." That is my point.
Your point is moot as you keep changing what you are talking about, they NCAA with any power would not have been able to force JFF to admit to something.
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What I am asking for? I keep saying I don't want a tougher NCAA.
What you think it should have in order to have teeth
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Oh, I will certainly remember that talking point next time I want to ruffle some Auburn feathers. I haven't wanted to up to this point because I like Auburn, but you never know.
Ahh, so you are just throwing shite against the wall
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:42 pm to JesusQuintana
I'm holding my breaf
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:46 pm to tomsellecksmustache
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...frick that racist state and frick Ole Miss.
And what university's door did George Wallace block? Where did the Selma March happen? Better not go there, Gump! This is the 21st Century. Deal with it.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:53 pm to NYCAuburn
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Universities are public institutions, which have similar authorities and powers like a normal business, they are not the law or any other similar government institution
Tell that to Mike Leach, who got boned out of a lot of money because a public university was able to use sovereign immunity to throw away his contract:
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Your point is moot as you keep changing what you are talking about, they NCAA with any power would not have been able to force JFF to admit to something.
No I am being very consistent in my reasoning, just maybe I am not being very clear. The NCAA cannot get cleaned up until it becomes heavy-handed like it was in the 1980s. That punishment it handed down to SMU wasn't fair at all, but terrible unfair punishments have a way of getting others in line to avoid being made the next unfair example. That is Chinese Justice in a nutshell.
The second the NCAA questioned that SMU punishment, and pretty much decided it will never do that again, was the second the system started falling apart.
The NCAA will never have enough power or authority to completely regulate college football. But with larger (and unfair) punishments and greater access to affiliated third parties it could at least create an environment of fear that convinces programs of the need to regulate themselves.
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What you think it should have in order to have teeth
Fair enough.
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Ahh, so you are just throwing shite against the wall
Honestly I didn't know what kind of rathole the Cam situation still is. I thought by now yall would allow some levity in the recounting. I now know that is not the case, I apologize for my transgression.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:00 pm to JesusQuintana
SEC Rant logic:
1) Ole Miss has more money than Warren Buffett and is corrupt.
2) Every other school in the NCAA is either poor or is as pure as the wind-driven snow.
Either way, with these threads that seem to live in perpetuity, it's obvious we have set up shop inside all of your heads.
(Cue the song by The Cranberries)
1) Ole Miss has more money than Warren Buffett and is corrupt.
2) Every other school in the NCAA is either poor or is as pure as the wind-driven snow.
Either way, with these threads that seem to live in perpetuity, it's obvious we have set up shop inside all of your heads.
(Cue the song by The Cranberries)
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:04 pm to PharmacistReb
It better be Linger.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:06 pm to PharmacistReb
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SEC Rant logic:
1) Ole Miss has more money than Warren Buffett and is corrupt.
Nobody here but Ole Miss people think Ole Miss has a lot of money. You don't have to be rich to cheat. Ole Miss has a tiny endowment (the number counts your medical school, of course). Every ranking shows your graduates are dead last in salary potential in the SEC.
Your facilities are small and suck in general.
If Ole Miss has a lot of money, you sure do a good job of hiding it.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:07 pm to cardboardboxer
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Tell that to Mike Leach, who got boned out of a lot of money because a public university was able to use sovereign immunity to throw away his contract:
again, I dont think you know how it works
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No I am being very consistent in my reasoning
not in the slightest
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The NCAA cannot get cleaned up until it becomes heavy-handed like it was in the 1980s. That punishment it handed down to SMU wasn't fair at all, but terrible unfair punishments have a way of getting others in line to avoid being made the next unfair example. That is Chinese Justice in a nutshell.
Here you are talking about punishment before it was subpoena power, they are completely different
your statement that with "subpoena power" the NCAA would have been able to force JFF to admit transgressions is absolutely not true. As I stated from the get go, the NCAA essentially does have subpoena power with all its members. Its only non members it does not have. Hence my employer example
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I thought by now yall would allow some levity in the recounting
Well when you make incorrect statements...
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:09 pm to Numberwang
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Nobody here but Ole Miss people think Ole Miss has a lot of money. You don't have to be rich to cheat. Ole Miss has a tiny endowment (the number counts your medical school, of course). Every ranking shows your graduates are dead last in salary potential in the SEC.
So now this goes to the next point. If we have no money and are ridiculously poor, how are we nabbing top ranked players?
With this logic, Ole Miss is the only school in the Power 5 that is cheating. It's either you believe that we are the only cheaters or you think we have an endless supply of money for the bidding.
So I take it from your remarks that only Ole Miss cheats. Because the #1 QB and #1 LT aren't going to come to Oxford for chump change.
(Cue The Cranberries)
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:12 pm to PharmacistReb
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:15 pm to PharmacistReb
Seems Arky fans have one thing to point to as an accomplishment this year--their 4th and 25 fluke play against Ole Miss. I can see why. Without it, Fat Bert turns in another 6-6 season.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:15 pm to We_R_The_Tide
Sunny Delight and scantily clad womenses is how we do it.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 4:16 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:Your understanding is poor. So we offer $180,000 but he turns us down and then we call the SEC office to inform them of how this went down?
My understanding is he denied every allegation that wasn't firmly documented, so we were left to believe that MSU (and ONLY MSU) offered him money for Cam's services and he went to Auburn for free despite that. Anyone with a brain can figure that if MSU was willing to pay Cam didn't go to Auburn for free. But Cam and Auburn got the benefit of the doubt.
Two former MSU players met with coaches and told them what it would take. The meeting was quickly ended. We never offered the money. We are poor.
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