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re: How is Ole Spice getting away with it?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:17 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:17 pm to JesusQuintana
Is the name Ole Spice taken? If not, can I change my alter to Ole Spice?
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Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:18 pm to Snizzzo
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I loathe Auburn for their history of cheating
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I'm such a hypocrite about this
obviously
nice to see some arky fans with Aubie on the brain
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:19 pm to AHM21
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Is the name Ole Spice taken?
not sure but they are going to need a new mascot
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:27 pm to NYCAuburn
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The only people or entities they cant compel you to turnover information is non members. so outside business and people. Players, coaches, immediate family(to a lesser extent) and schools are still forced to provide information
True, but schools aren't pushed hard enough or punished enough to get affiliated non-members to comply.
For example, the ban Cam's dad caught was BS. A NCAA with teeth would force an Auburn to sit Cam until his dad complies with any investigation 100%. That won't happen now because its in Auburn's best interests for Cam's dad not to comply in that situation. So we get a BS ban that effectively ends the investigation.
And that is just an example, we wrapped JFF in lawyers to get the same result. Or when Ohio St. pushed those players out during the tattoo scandal to put a lid on that whole situation. Until programs fear the NCAA none of this is getting fixed, and honestly a lot of programs don't want the situation cleaned up.
I mean, without cheating does an Ole Miss ever have a chance? Hell no, the same top 15 teams win everything every year. Only blue blood programs that are sick of watching their talent go to the Ole Misses of the world want reform, and that lineup doesn't include all the blue bloods. I mean, Bama is recruiting fine so why would they help clean up a system just so The University of Texas can keep five star players from going to Ole Miss? They won't that is the answer. So nothing changes.
Whoever cheats the best wins. I am just glad A&M is back in that game finally.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:29 pm to JesusQuintana
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how in the world have they not received the hammer yet.
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the NCAA would really like to make an example of.
quote:We bought the NCAA and their stupid hammer. Deal with it.
What gives?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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True, but schools aren't pushed hard enough or punished enough to get affiliated non-members to comply.
Why should they? Would you like it if your current employer was able to forcibly make one of your friends divulge information about yourself
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A NCAA with teeth would force an Auburn to sit Cam until his dad complies with any investigation 100%.
What did his dad not comply with?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:34 pm to JesusQuintana
As much as this pains me to say, either Ole Miss has sold their souls to the devil and will never be caught, or the Chipmunk is a damn good recruiter and they are legit...
With that said, frick that racist state and frick Ole Miss..
With that said, frick that racist state and frick Ole Miss..
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:38 pm to NYCAuburn
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Why should they?
Because the system will never get cleaned up as long as there is a constant generation of new loopholes. The only way to really fix the issue is the nuclear option and throwing away any notion of "innocent until proven guilty." If you even LOOK like there is something being covered up then you get pushed for it like a third world legal system. Anything less than that encourages cheating.
And let me just say, I don't want that. I like a toothless NCAA, even though Ole Miss is buying five star Texas talent. A new enforcement system would just entrench the traditional powers, of which A&M is not one.
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Would you like it if your current employer was able to forcibly make one of your friends divulge information about yourself
No, but I don't work for a public institution like most universities are.
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What did his dad not comply with?
He obviously took the punishment handed to him to keep the bigger story from getting out. Even he admits that:
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"I fell on the sword," Cecil Newton said. "I willfully fell on the sword for my son. I didn't want the allegation to spread and create an environment where he was going to be disqualified to play."
LINK
Which, again, I think is just fine. I rooted for Cam the whole way that year.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:40 pm to tomsellecksmustache
1. OM is cheating on a grand scale...more so than their competitors (whom are all cheating also)...that is the reason they are beating teams like Bama for the Greg Little's, Tunsils and Treadwells of the world; and
2. The NCAA is relatively powerless to do anything.
That said, the biggest swinging wang in the SEC is Bama...and they happen to have the most influential coach in the conference since the Bear in Nick Saban. Saban's good buddy happens to be the head of the NCAA in Mark Emmert.
Bama has lost two in a row to OM and is starting to lose some head to head recruiting battles to OM as well.
Bama has the ability to pit the SEC against Ole Miss. When that happens, the NCAA may see the opportunity to step in and pull the trigger.
So, in essence, whether OM gets on probation or not is completely dependent on the will of Nick Saban and Alabama.
2. The NCAA is relatively powerless to do anything.
That said, the biggest swinging wang in the SEC is Bama...and they happen to have the most influential coach in the conference since the Bear in Nick Saban. Saban's good buddy happens to be the head of the NCAA in Mark Emmert.
Bama has lost two in a row to OM and is starting to lose some head to head recruiting battles to OM as well.
Bama has the ability to pit the SEC against Ole Miss. When that happens, the NCAA may see the opportunity to step in and pull the trigger.
So, in essence, whether OM gets on probation or not is completely dependent on the will of Nick Saban and Alabama.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:45 pm to cardboardboxer
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No, but I don't work for a public institution like most universities are.
A university is just like a private company as far as their ability to do what you want them to do, so...
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The only way to really fix the issue is the nuclear option and throwing away any notion of "innocent until proven guilty." If you even LOOK like there is something being covered up then you get pushed for it like a third world legal system. Anything less than that encourages cheating.
Yup, lets really screw up the system
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He obviously took the punishment handed to him to keep the bigger story from getting out. Even he admits that:
again, what did he not comply with? And what would "subpoena power" have changed?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:47 pm to PorkSammich
Everyone cheats.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:49 pm to cardboardboxer
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For example, the ban Cam's dad caught was BS. A NCAA with teeth would force an Auburn to sit Cam until his dad complies with any investigation 100%. That won't happen now because its in Auburn's best interests for Cam's dad not to comply in that situation. So we get a BS ban that effectively ends the investigation.
.Cecil did comply with the NCAA request 100%, provided his bank statements, etc. It is one of the reasons why Cam was allowed to play. You have the facts backwards. What are you talking about?
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:56 pm to texag7
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Someone shop an Ole Miss logo on an Ole Spice deodorant stick pls
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 1/6/16 at 2:57 pm to TigerTalker16
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:00 pm to DeltaDoc
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OM is cheating on a grand scale...more so than their competitors (whom are all cheating also)...that is the reason they are beating teams like Bama for the Greg Little's, Tunsils and Treadwells of the world; and
Oh....well that proves it then.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:01 pm to NYCAuburn
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A university is just like a private company as far as their ability to do what you want them to do, so...
No, most have to be pretty transparent and fulfill FOI requests.
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Yup, lets really screw up the system
Again, I don't want that. But anything short of that won't clean up the situation.
Even back in the day the NCAA never had enough resources to clamp down on cheating. Hence why SMU and A&M and other programs went wild in the 80s.
When SMU got the death penalty programs started earnestly regulating themselves and their boosters because they feared they would be made an example out of. This fear is the only real power the NCAA has, it can't be everywhere.
No one has seen the NCAA hammer in a long time, so now many doubt it exists.
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again, what did he not comply with?
My understanding is he denied every allegation that wasn't firmly documented, so we were left to believe that MSU (and ONLY MSU) offered him money for Cam's services and he went to Auburn for free despite that. Anyone with a brain can figure that if MSU was willing to pay Cam didn't go to Auburn for free. But Cam and Auburn got the benefit of the doubt.
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And what would "subpoena power" have changed?
Just greater power overall could have scared Auburn into forcing Cam's dad to admit more. Auburn basically made a gamble that it could keep a lid on the situation and keep Cam eligible for a single year for a run at a title. And that gamble paid off bigtime. If college football was still in the 1990's in regards to enforcement then there is NO WAY Auburn risks that, they simply bench Cam to avoid the possibility of a death penalty.
And again, I was just using Auburn as an example. Sorry if that hit close to home. Here are other examples:
- a NCAA with the power I describe could have forced JFF to admit to signing autographs for money, or at the very least scare A&M into not risking playing him
-with a NCAA with the power I describe Terrelle Pryor doesn't get banned for five years as a convenient way to shut him up. Either he is banned for life, or Ohio St. gets punished for whatever the worst thing could have been assumed to have happened.
I could keep going but you get the point. There have been many recent situations where a 1980's-style NCAA would have cleaned up the situation but a modern organization can't. And yay for that.
This post was edited on 1/6/16 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:05 pm to allin2010
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.Cecil did comply with the NCAA request 100%, provided his bank statements, etc. It is one of the reasons why Cam was allowed to play. You have the facts backwards. What are you talking about?
Damn, you Auburn fans are really defensive about the situation STILL.
We all know Cecil used the church as a legal shield to protect whatever money was paid to get Cam to go to Auburn. Yay for Auburn for getting theirs, I admire that.
Tell you what, lets change the example to JFF's autographs just so I don't have to deal with five year old talking points.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:11 pm to JesusQuintana
The NCAA has lost all power over College Football. Emeret did a lot of good for LSU... but he has made a mockery of the NCAA.
See the JFF autograph fiasco comparted to that UGA WR that got hammered for selling one shirt just a few years ealier...
For the record I think athletes should be allowed to make money on their names.. but it is against the rules at this point.
See the JFF autograph fiasco comparted to that UGA WR that got hammered for selling one shirt just a few years ealier...
For the record I think athletes should be allowed to make money on their names.. but it is against the rules at this point.
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:15 pm to r2d2
Posted on 1/6/16 at 3:18 pm to DeltaDoc
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OM is cheating on a grand scale...more so than their competitors (whom are all cheating also)...that is the reason they are beating teams like Bama for the Greg Little's, Tunsils and Treadwells of the world
Oh I like you...
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