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re: Holding Defined
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:47 pm to HarryBalzack
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:47 pm to HarryBalzack
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Not Alabama's fault that degrees from other schools don't get you as far in life.
Yeah good point. No home cooking from the SEC Office there. at all.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:48 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Have to in order to knock out the glare from all those trophies.
Says the guy sitting there trying to see through Crimson colored glasses.
I'm just having fun, trying to avoid grading term papers. 
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:52 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Technically, yes, some of that could have been called. But you know as well as I do that the refs generally will not call holding on stuff that happens inside the shoulder pads. And they have been lenient in enforcing the crap that happens after initial contact. As another posted demonstrated, Auburn was doing the same thing. It's how the game is played now since the rules have been skewed in favor of offense.
'm sorry. But if you can't see the pics in the OP were all blatant cases of holding (with the exception of the last pic which was iffy) then it's obvious you can't set aside your team allegance and look at football objectively.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:54 pm to HarryBalzack
auburn holds on every single time they run to the outside. They never run outside and gain any yards unless there is a hold.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:13 pm to HarryBalzack
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Technically, yes, some of that could have been called. But you know as well as I do that the refs generally will not call holding on stuff that happens inside the shoulder pads. And they have been lenient in enforcing the crap that happens after initial contact. As another posted demonstrated, Auburn was doing the same thing. It's how the game is played now since the rules have been skewed in favor of offense.
You're right, they've become more lax on the offensive holding. Some team I've watched this season seem to teach their offensive linemen to block using a technique where they grasp the outside of the shoulder pads on every play.
And even tough that's holding per the rules, what I really have a problem with though is the more blatant holds like this....
and this
There is no excuse for not calling holding on plays like those.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:15 pm to Darth_Vader
You realize still pictures don't tell the whole story, right?
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:20 pm to pvilleguru
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You realize still pictures don't tell the whole story, right?
When it comes to holding that's this obvious, they do tell the whole story. Look at the post above yours and tell me how either of those are not holding.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:21 pm to Darth_Vader
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When it comes to holding that's this obvious, they do tell the whole story. Look at the post above yours and tell me how either of those are not holding.
Did you happen to also review the pictures Tuscaloosa found in about 5 minutes of Auburn's line and backs holding?
I'm sure those are somehow all good to go though, right? No issues there.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:22 pm to allin2010
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:22 pm to allin2010
Please don't ever stop [auburntiger77], keep doing you.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:27 pm to HarryBalzack
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Auburn was doing the same thing.
Um, no they weren't. It's big money to the SEC if they get a rep in the playoffs. And as long as there is a way to stack the game in Bama's favor without looking egregious, there was no way Auburn was beating Alabama that day.
There's not much you or I can do about it but to not admit Bama gets "Tide privilege" is to not know much about the history of SEC football. B'ham is a tide town and the SEC office is littered with Bama grads. Bama has undue influence off the field and always has because of that. It goes back to Bryant's days. It's frustrating if one is a fan of another school, but like Saban likes to say, "it is what it is".
Until other schools have to the stones to join Auburn in demanding change, it will always be that way....but they won't. So we get to look like whiny bitches and Bama gets to reap the benefits of "tide privilege". Congratulations to bama. They have perfected working the system.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:27 pm to Darth_Vader
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Look at the post above yours and tell me how either of those are not holding.
On the bottom one, his hands slipped off the jersey as Lawson was rushing. He then pulled his hands back and continued blocking, even though Lawson put his hands in Jackson's face.
On the top one, it looks like the defender could be in the process of changing direction. If the lineman then let's go and just starts pushing, I don't see a problem with it.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:28 pm to TailbackU
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Did you happen to also review the pictures Tuscaloosa found in about 5 minutes of Auburn's line and backs holding?
I'm sure those are somehow all good to go though, right? No issues there.
I'll address them here..
Per the rules, that's holding. Holding against the Bama player. The Auburn player is #55 Carl Lawson, a defensive lineman. Defensive linemen can use their hands however they want outside of grasping the helmet or facemask. The Bama offensive lineman is grabbing him on the back of his shoulder, that's textbook holding.
I'm looking but can't see any holding here.
Hands on the outside and grasping hte shoulder pads. That's holding.
Looks like Stephen Roberts is going in to tackle the ball carrier. Not sure why he'd post this as an example of holding when nobody is even being blocked in the picture.
auburn's Recardo Lewis is going up for a pass while a Bama defender is in his face. Being that he isn't turning his head to the ball and is making contact with Lewis before he can catch the ball, that should actually be a defensive pass interference call. Once again, not sure why he'dd post this picture as an example of holding.
So in his pictures, he found one example of Auburn holding. And in the process actually showed another example of Alabama holding while posting other pictures that make me wonder if he knows what blocking or holding are.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:31 pm to allin2010
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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auburn's Recardo Lewis is going up for a pass while a Bama defender is in his face. Being that he isn't turning his head to the ball and is making contact with Lewis before he can catch the ball, that should actually be a defensive pass interference call.
He didn't make contact before the ball got there, and you don't have to turn your head in college.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:36 pm to pvilleguru
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On the bottom one, his hands slipped off the jersey as Lawson was rushing. He then pulled his hands back and continued blocking, even though Lawson put his hands in Jackson's face.
Here's the picture you're talking about....
First, if an offensive lineman's hands slip while blocking, they reestablish the block inside. I use to drill offensive linemen on how to "reset" at virtually every practice. What you don;t want them to do is just grab the guy and bear hug him as you see in that picture. That's textbook holding.
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On the top one, it looks like the defender could be in the process of changing direction. If the lineman then let's go and just starts pushing, I don't see a problem with it.
If the defender changes directions, you can "wash them down" (once again something I use to teach offensive linemen daily). What you can't do is grab them by the shoulder pads as you see in that picture. Once again, that's text book holding.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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So in his pictures, he found one example of Auburn holding. And in the process actually showed another example of Alabama holding while posting other pictures that make me wonder if he knows what blocking or holding are.
Those are additional pictures. Check page 4.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 11/30/15 at 4:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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What you don;t want them to do is just grab the guy and bear hug him as you see in that picture.
That's not what happened. The momentum carried his arms up and around. That's why his elbows are angled upward instead of more horizontally. He then pulled his arms back and continued blocking.
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