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Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:12 pm to AUbagman
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:12 pm to AUbagman
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Holding Defined
Here it is straight from the NCAA rule book Rule 9 Section 3....
quote:
Use of Hands or Arms by Offense
ARTICLE 3. a. A teammate of a ball carrier or a passer legally may block with
his shoulders, his hands, the outer surface of his arms or any other part of his
body under the following provisions.
1. The hand(s) shall be:
(a) In advance of the elbow.
(b) Inside the frame of the opponent’s body (Exception: When the
opponent turns his back to the blocker) (A.R. 9-3-3-VI and VII).
(c) At or below the shoulder(s) of the blocker and the opponent
(Exception: When the opponent squats, ducks or submarines).
(d) Apart and never in a locked position.
2. The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the
opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent
(A.R. 9-3-3-I-IV and VI-VIII).
PENALTY—10 yards. Penalties for Team A fouls behind the neutral zone
are enforced from the previous spot. Safety if the foul occurs
behind Team A’s goal line. [S42].
b. Holding or illegal obstruction by a teammate of the ball carrier or passer
applies to Rule 9-3-3-a:
1. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
2. The hand(s) or arm(s) shall not be used to hook, clamp or otherwise
illegally impede or illegally obstruct an opponent.
Rule 9 / Conduct of Playersand Others Subjectto the Rules FR
LINK
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 3:13 pm
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:16 pm to allin2010
They had to hold on to something to keep from falling down with that shitty field that was water down to try and stop Henry. Refs were just trying to be fair.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:21 pm to allin2010
Just for the hell of it, 2010, send the pics to the SEC office and ask them if they are indeed holding infractions. It would be great to know if I have been seeing the wrong color all this time. We'll all be waiting for a reply.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:21 pm to allin2010
quote:I know you Aubs can't read, so you may need to print this out and take it to a neighbor for explanation. It's only holding when you use the hands in a manner that not permissible. Using hands, in and of themselves, is not holding. Not every clasped hand is a hold. Not every arm around the body is a hold.
Holding Defined
quote:
Holding and Use of Hands or Arms:
Offense ARTICLE 3.
a. Use of Hands - A teammate of a ball carrier or a passer legally may block with his shoulders, his hands, the outer surface of his arms or any other part of his body under the following provisions.
1. The hand(s) shall be:
(a) In advance of the elbow.
(b) Inside the frame of the opponent’s body (Exception: When the opponent turns his back to the blocker)
(c) At or below the shoulder(s) of the blocker and the opponent (Exception: When the opponent squats, ducks or submarines).
(d) Apart and never in a locked position.
2. The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent.
b. Holding - The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull, hook, clamp or encircle in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:27 pm to Darth_Vader
to the OP....
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
(I could go on but at this point the matter should be clear. These repeated non-calls made a huge difference in the game. How many drives would have stalled out had Bama been faced with 2nd or 3rd down and about 20 instead of 2nd or 3rd down and about 2?. Bottom line, these non-calls had a huge impact on the game and anyone that's even halfway honest with themselves knows it, even if their not man enough to admit it here.)
quote:
he hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the
opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent
quote:
The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
quote:
The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
quote:
The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the
opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent
quote:
The hand(s) shall be:
(b) Inside the frame of the opponent’s body (Exception: When the
opponent turns his back to the blocker) (A.R. 9-3-3-VI and VII).
quote:
1. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
quote:
1. The hand(s) shall be:
(a) In advance of the elbow.
(b) Inside the frame of the opponent’s body (Exception: When the
opponent turns his back to the blocker) (A.R. 9-3-3-VI and VII).
quote:
2. The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the
opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent
quote:
1. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
That play should have been called back and 10 years stepped off from the spot of the foul.
(I could go on but at this point the matter should be clear. These repeated non-calls made a huge difference in the game. How many drives would have stalled out had Bama been faced with 2nd or 3rd down and about 20 instead of 2nd or 3rd down and about 2?. Bottom line, these non-calls had a huge impact on the game and anyone that's even halfway honest with themselves knows it, even if their not man enough to admit it here.)
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:31 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:If your players want to turn into the grasping arms of an Alabama lineman, that's their right. Perhaps Muschit should teach better technique.
(Exception: When the opponent turns his back to the blocker) (Exception: When the opponent squats, ducks or submarines).
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:31 pm to Darth_Vader
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
oh the Auburn tears
you frickers lost your sixth game on Saturday, but yea, let's talk about the refs
oh the Auburn tears
you frickers lost your sixth game on Saturday, but yea, let's talk about the refs
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:33 pm to HarryBalzack
quote:
I know you Aubs can't read, so you may need to print this out and take it to a neighbor for explanation. It's only holding when you use the hands in a manner that not permissible. Using hands, in and of themselves, is not holding. Not every clasped hand is a hold. Not every arm around the body is a hold.
Did you miss this part?
quote:
2. The hand(s) shall be open with the palm(s) facing the frame of the opponent or closed or cupped with the palms not facing the opponent.
And this part....
quote:
1. The hand(s) and arm(s) shall not be used to grasp, pull or encircle in any
way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:33 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:33 pm to HarryBalzack
Jesus Christ, you auburn folk need to find a more constructive way to spend your time.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:34 pm to Darth_Vader
So Darth, do you think your offensive line is SO good, that going against what most consider to be the best D line in college football, they didn't called for HOLDING not once? If you think that is so, Gus Malzahn should be fired for not having better offensive production with that kind of offensive line.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:36 pm to allin2010
I'm sure if we turned this in to Steve Shaw, head of SEC Officiating, and Alabama grad and lifelong tide fan and personal friend to Bear Bryant we would totally get an objective opinion.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:37 pm to Darth_Vader
No, I read the entire sentences:
quote:Like I said, if the Auburn players want to twist into the opposing team's arms, that's their right.
in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:38 pm to HarryBalzack
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If your players want to turn into the grasping arms of an Alabama lineman, that's their right. Perhaps Muschit should teach better technique.
That exception is for the offensive player keeping his hand on the inside the frame of the defending player's body. In other words if a defensive lineman does a spin move, the offensive player is not required to try and get around them to keep their hands "inside the numbers". In the pictures in the OP, I don't see any defensive linemen who look to be trying a spin move.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:39 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:You wouldn't, being a still image and all.
In the pictures in the OP, I don't see any defensive linemen who look to be trying a spin move.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:39 pm to HarryBalzack
quote:
No, I read the entire sentences:
quote:
in any way that illegally impedes or illegally obstructs an opponent.
Like I said, if the Auburn players want to twist into the opposing team's arms, that's their right.
Those players were not trying to execute a spin move.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:41 pm to TailbackU
quote:Not Alabama's fault that degrees from other schools don't get you as far in life.
Steve Shaw, head of SEC Officiating, and Alabama grad
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:41 pm to HarryBalzack
quote:
You wouldn't, being a still image and all.
you can tell from a picture when a player is trying a spin move or even a swim move. At least if you know what you're looking at. Perhaps you don't.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:44 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Obviously, I do. You can't see shite through orange colored glasses.
At least if you know what you're looking at.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 3:45 pm to HarryBalzack
quote:
Obviously, I do. You can't see shite through orange colored glasses
Says the guy sitting there trying to see through Crimson colored glasses.
I'm sorry. But if you can't see the pics in the OP were all blatant cases of holding (with the exception of the last pic which was iffy) then it's obvious you can't set aside your team allegance and look at football objectively.
This post was edited on 11/30/15 at 3:48 pm
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