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Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:33 pm to dawgdayafternoon
quote:I know, right?
It's not like one certain team doesn't have stacked talent to rotate players in to defend that type of offense.
Arkansas, on the other hand... shite out of luck!
Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:34 pm to TTsTowel
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The HUNH doesn't cause any more injuries when compared to a standard offense. Period.
That's cute, but what you just posted doesn't prove that.
It just shows that the offenses that run no-huddle experienced fewer injuries. That actually makes sense, since HUNH offenses are typically finesse offenses, and the "slower" offenses are line up and ram it down your throat types.
We'd need defensive statistics to prove what you're saying.
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:34 pm to dawgdayafternoon
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It's not like one certain team doesn't have stacked talent to rotate players in to defend that type of offense.
Exactly!, their 3 deep could start for almost any other SEC team. and even then, the frickers complain!!@
frick bamers!!! and frick saban!!~!!
Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:34 pm to TTsTowel
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The HUNH doesn't cause any more injuries when compared to a standard offense. Period.
TT, I'm not for or against it. And I barely give a shite what Saban has to say about anything other than team matters.
But it's almost impossible to add 20 plays a game on both sides of the ball and have less injuries. I don't even care much about player safety. But adding that many extra plays is going to result in more injuries. Just like adding an extra game or two per year would add to injuries.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:35 pm to brick
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frick bamers!!! and frick saban!!~
I seriously don't remember a single thing about the last game in which Tennessee beat Alabama. Not a single detail.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I seriously don't remember a single thing about the last game in which Tennessee beat Alabama. Not a single detail.
Don't worry, you will be making new memories soon!
Posted on 7/22/13 at 9:40 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I seriously don't remember a single thing about the last game in which Tennessee beat Alabama. Not a single detail.
Not to be a dick to any of our lovely Vol ranter brethren...but I don't remember a single thing from last years game. Wtf..
Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:08 pm to TTsTowel
These stats are meaningless. Think about: why would you compare STARTS lost due to injury? That does not necessarily mean there were more actual injured players on slow-paced teams. It could be that the injuries those teams sustained tended to be more severe (which could be purely up to chance--this is only from one season, and doesn't even include all the teams).
There are too many variables at play here for this simple comparison to be meaningful. Like others have said, you would really need to compare injuries among the defenses of the teams who face fast- and slow-paced offenses. Even then, you'd need to look at data gathered over a longer period of time than one year to be able to draw any meaningful conclusions.
There are too many variables at play here for this simple comparison to be meaningful. Like others have said, you would really need to compare injuries among the defenses of the teams who face fast- and slow-paced offenses. Even then, you'd need to look at data gathered over a longer period of time than one year to be able to draw any meaningful conclusions.
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Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:13 pm to Tuscaloosa
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I seriously don't remember a single thing about the last game in which Tennessee beat Alabama. Not a single detail.
Winning a few years in a row will do that to you!!!
I pray to Wotan that we will have that problem soon!
Posted on 7/22/13 at 10:39 pm to TTsTowel
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TTsTowel
Rents due.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:02 pm to UMRealist
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Saban's argument is that more plays = more injuries. Therefore defense/offense shouldn't matter
I generally agree. Assuming there is a certain % of injury on any given play, then running more plays would directly lead to more injuries; however, this doesn't really work in practice. Teams that run the HUNH are conditioned for such an offense and are generally in better shape for such plays. This would in theory drive the % for an injury on any given play down (as is correlated by the stats). The problem lies for the defenses that are not used to such an offense. They have the higher % of injury per play of a "slow" team due to not being conditioned for the HUNH. This would result in a higher likely hood of an injury occurring in any given game against a team that ran the HUNH.
That said, I think anyone bitching about the HUNH is just bitching to gain an advantage instead of adapting.
Posted on 7/22/13 at 11:44 pm to GeauxWarTigers
I can't believe people are actually still defending this. Amazing. Is this a WAC board?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 12:08 am to WhiskeyBent
This cry for elimination of HUNH to reduce injuries is a bunch of BS.
If Beilema and Saban are that worried about the players then they should lobby against blitzing, kickoffs, and tackling.
If Beilema and Saban are that worried about the players then they should lobby against blitzing, kickoffs, and tackling.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 12:10 am to TTsTowel
Bert not a comedian so :dwi:
Posted on 7/23/13 at 1:47 am to UMRealist
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Saban's argument is that more plays = more injuries. Therefore defense/offense shouldn't matter
Not really. That was the fan version of the anti HUNH argument. Saban's argument is that more injuries will result to defensive players if they get over-exhausted/over-exerted and he is unable to sub a tired player out due to the hurry up. Tired players use poor tackling form and have more ligament/tendon/muscle injuries due to the weakened state of the body. The lack of substitutions seemed to be his issue, not too many plays. I think Saban's argument has some validity, but I also don't think there needs to be a rule change.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 1:52 am to Monticello
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Not really. That was the fan version of the anti HUNH argument. Saban's argument is that more injuries will result to defensive players if they get over-exhausted/over-exerted and he is unable to sub a tired player out due to the hurry up. Tired players use poor tackling form and have more ligament/tendon/muscle injuries due to the weakened state of the body. The lack of substitutions seemed to be his issue, not too many plays. I think Saban's argument has some validity, but I also don't think there needs to be a rule change.
So it's the HUNH's fault Saban's defensive players can't play at the sustained level they can?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 7:45 am to TTsTowel
you realize the majority of the injuries were on the defensive side of the ball. Which only strengthens the argument. It's not the offensive side that receives the injuries so naturally the HUNH team is not the one receiving the injuries.
Posted on 7/23/13 at 7:54 am to elit4ce05
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you realize the majority of the injuries were on the defensive side of the ball
They were? you have evidence of this? or are you just assuming because lord saban has spoken, so you believe it now?
If Saban was worried about the number of plays a player was involved as a possible contributing factor for injuries, he could always just sub some of those 85 players in. you know the ones that get processed because they don't play.
Wouldn't even need a rule change. he could do it on his very own. I am sure if he was truly concerned, he would do this? right?
Posted on 7/23/13 at 7:57 am to elit4ce05
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you realize the majority of the injuries were on the defensive side of the ball. Which only strengthens the argument. It's not the offensive side that receives the injuries so naturally the HUNH team is not the one receiving the injuries
Makes sense, half the time on these up-tempo teams the player with the ball runs straight out of bounds before contact.
More meaningful stats would be to look at injuries before this fad of high school coaches and girls bball coaches coming to cfb.
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