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re: fumbles on 4th down.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:03 am to inelishaitrust
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:03 am to inelishaitrust
your source is outdated....until you can provide us with a copy of the 2010-2011 rule book, you fail at supporting your argument
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Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:05 am to inelishaitrust
Mother of God, are people arguing that a backwards pass, no matter how it is thrown, that hits the ground is NOT a fumble?
Is it a live ball that can be recovered by the defensive team?
Is there anything OTHER than a fumble that fits the description of a live ball on the ground that can be recovered by the defense?
Is it a live ball that can be recovered by the defensive team?
Is there anything OTHER than a fumble that fits the description of a live ball on the ground that can be recovered by the defense?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:05 am to inelishaitrust
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Section 30 proves my point.
No it doesn't.
The play was a running play, but running plays can be established by backward passes. The section even mentions this. Did you even read it fully?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:05 am to dkreller
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a copy of the 2010-2011 rule book
There is no 2010-2011 rule book.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:06 am to Guster
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That act defined as a backward pass in the rule book, which makes it a loose ball.
But if the loose ball is recovered by the other team is it not a fumble recovery?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:07 am to inelishaitrust
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But if the loose ball is recovered by the other team is it not a fumble recovery?
Loose ball recovery....
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:08 am to arrakis
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arrakis
we must have a ref in our presence....please clear up the argument instead of adding useless jeers
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:09 am to Guster
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but running plays can be established by backward passes.
Is a recovered lateral a fumble recovery?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:09 am to DvlsAdvocat
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Mother of God, are people arguing that a backwards pass, no matter how it is thrown, that hits the ground is NOT a fumble?
Yes
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Is it a live ball that can be recovered by the defensive team?
Yes
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Is there anything OTHER than a fumble that fits the description of a live ball on the ground that can be recovered by the defense?
Yes. You witnesses it today. Had a defender picked up the ball instead of Jasper they would have recovered a non-fumbled ball.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:09 am to inelishaitrust
no....it's a recovered loose ball
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:10 am to dkreller
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no....it's a recovered loose ball
But it's statistically counted as a fumble recovery.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:10 am to inelishaitrust
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Is a recovered lateral a fumble recovery?
No. It's a loose ball recovery
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:12 am to Guster
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No. It's a loose ball recovery
But statistically counted as a fumble recovery.
This post was edited on 10/10/10 at 1:13 am
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:13 am to Guster
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No. It's a loose ball recovery
Correct. Many casual fans call it a "fumble" because it's treated as such in most situations. But a lateral is technically different from a fumble.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:13 am to inelishaitrust
aaahhhhh I see where the problem is....you learned the rules of football by looking at stat sheets and going from there
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:15 am to dkreller
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you learned the rules of football by looking at stat sheets and going from there
The NCAA rulebook couldn't be more vague or contradictory.
When a snap is fumbled it's called a fumbled snap, no?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:15 am to inelishaitrust
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But statistically counted as a fumble recovery.
Maybe.
Show me an example where it has been statically counted as a fumble.
I fail though to see how stats are recorded have anything to do with the rules on the field.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:16 am to inelishaitrust
when the QB is under center....yes
that would be a failed HANDoff
that would be a failed HANDoff
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:16 am to inelishaitrust
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When a snap is fumbled it's called a fumbled snap, no?
Yes.
What you're missing is: intentionality. If someone intentionally laterals a ball --- that is different from someone fumbling the ball unintentionally.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 1:16 am to Guster
Just posted this in another thread but since all you Florida fans want to keep whining about it.
The reason is because of Rule 4-1-3(b, exception). This rule creates the exception to the ball being declared dead when a player's knee is down touching the ground. The exception applies only to the HOLDER when an offensive player kicks or simulates kicking the ball for a place kick (Field Goal). By rule the ball may be advanced, kicked or passed.
In college football the hold may place his knee on the ground and the ball is not declared dead.
The reason is because of Rule 4-1-3(b, exception). This rule creates the exception to the ball being declared dead when a player's knee is down touching the ground. The exception applies only to the HOLDER when an offensive player kicks or simulates kicking the ball for a place kick (Field Goal). By rule the ball may be advanced, kicked or passed.
In college football the hold may place his knee on the ground and the ball is not declared dead.
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