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re: fumbles on 4th down.

Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:23 am to
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:23 am to
quote:

Art. 30(b)(6).


Not finding it in the NCAA rulebook.

Could someone link me?
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:23 am to
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successful handling means he intended to lateral it Tampon
Get your eyes checked... handing != handling

The rule says "successfull HANDING" not "HANDLING"

You don't hand a ball off by throwing it on the ground. That's a fumble.
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
30261 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:25 am to
Posted by jojobatby
West Monroe
Member since Jul 2010
230 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:25 am to
are you fing kidding me !! you sons of bitches talk shite all year about how LSU makes excuses about the refs and now you wanna feed us the BS ... look at the numbers bro we beat yall fair and square and if it wasent for the few turnovers that we had yall would have really gotten embarssed !!! so shut the fu** up and deal with your loss dickwad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Common sence
Gilbert ,Az
Member since Nov 2009
1013 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:26 am to
It was a lateral not a fumble. You don't know the difference?
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:26 am to
quote:

quote:
Art. 30(b)(6).



Not finding it in the NCAA rulebook.

Could someone link me?




You won't...he made it up.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:27 am to
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The rule says "successfull HANDING" not "HANDLING"

You don't hand a ball off by throwing it on the ground. That's a fumble.


That would definitely explain the mixup.
Posted by audodger
Member since Jun 2010
7077 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:28 am to
Also the holder's knee was down when he tossed the ball slightly forward.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:28 am to
quote:

You won't...he made it up.


Yeah, I just checked that out.

LSU deserved to win.
They need to fix the letter of the law.

But by the current law, the play should have been blown dead when the kicker illegally advanced the fumble.
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85789 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:28 am to
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joshnorris14


Are you SURE you are not quoting NFL Rules?????

Posted by blueTunaTiger
Gulf of Mexico, USA
Member since Feb 2009
3696 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:29 am to
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If the catch or recovery is beyond the spot of the fumble, the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble. If the catch or recovery is behind the spot of the fumble, the ball remains at the spot of the catch or recovery. Read the first sentence after exception 2 (bolded)


You are absolutely right -

















The exception being it was not a fumble. But thanks again for playing........
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:29 am to
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It was a lateral not a fumble. You don't know the difference?
A lateral that hits the ground is a fumble.
Posted by Common sence
Gilbert ,Az
Member since Nov 2009
1013 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:30 am to
How about holding on the D on a field goal.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:30 am to
quote:

Also the holder's knee was down when he tossed the ball slightly forward.


This is legal.

The holder isn't allowed to get up and move the ball, but he can throw or toss from his knee. My dad was a holder. The holder can run with the ball if his knee is off the ground when he catches it.
Posted by arrakis
Member since Nov 2008
21168 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:31 am to
quote:

Also the holder's knee was down when he tossed the ball slightly forward.



Holder is exempt if there is a player in position to make a kick.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:31 am to
quote:

Are you SURE you are not quoting NFL Rules?????


Those are the NCAA rules, also.
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89827 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:31 am to
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Not to mention that it clearly went forwards a few inches.






Yeah, SO clear, that after nearly five minutes, the guys in the replay booth didn't overturn it.

Posted by Guster
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
4441 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:31 am to
quote:

But by the current law, the play should have been blown dead when the kicker illegally advanced the fumble.


Wasn't a fumble.

NCAA rule book

Look up the definitions of a Loose ball, fumble, backward pass, and a handoff and get back to me.
Posted by inelishaitrust
Oxford, MS
Member since Jan 2008
26078 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:32 am to
quote:

How about holding on the D on a field goal.


Can be called if the defensive player was holding an offensive player to prevent him from blocking on a fg, which is probably exactly what happened.
Posted by TigersInExile
OhioTiger
Member since Nov 2008
901 posts
Posted on 10/10/10 at 12:32 am to
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SEE! The officials are doing everything they can to assure LSU keeps winning!



Props on this one!
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