re: fumbles on 4th down.

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arrakis was on the field and was scared to make the "correct" call

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That's almost as weak as you using Wiki as your source for the rules.

i'm off to bed

arrakis you are correct, I bow to you since you are a wizard of the interwebz

you can bad mouth me all you want....I don't give a rat frick

the way I interpret the rules and the way the officials officiating tonight interpret the rules are in agreement and that's all I care about

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That's almost as weak as you using Wiki as your source for the rules.

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but not as weak as your deflections




after looking over your post history I see that you get off by making people look stupid for bitching about a football game

you've memorized the rulebook word for word and that makes you a pro when it comes to football yet you have prob never played a snap in your life....kinda hard to do that when you don't leave your computer cave

you have reaffirmed my thoughts of your douchebaggery

so glad i read this entire thread!

where did the reb go? bed time?

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arrakis

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any chance you could make this say Auburn instead of Bama?



I tried editing it, but not only is it prevented(not surprised, I do the same to mine), but It's over 100 layers

If you can, it Doesn't have to be tonight or this week for that matter. I understand you are busy

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Yeah Arrakis is an arrogant little pric. He acts like hes right even when the rules state he's wrong. Dudes got issues... Now he will fire back that I can go check some made up dictionary stating he's right and call me a jerk off. Go frick yourself dude.

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By dictionary you mean the NCAA Rule book right?

You are a moron for arguing with him.

The refs had more than five minutes to figure this one out. They could have called the Supreme Court in that amount of time. They got it right whatever it was.

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Caught or Recovered
ARTICLE 2. a. When a backward pass or fumble is caught or recovered by any inbounds player, the ball continues in play.

Exceptions:
1. Rule 8-3-2-d-5 (Team A fumble on the try).
2. On fourth down before a change of team possession, when a Team A fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than the fumbler, the ball is dead. If the catch or recovery is beyond the spot of the fumble, the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble. If the catch or recovery is behind the spot of the fumble, the ball remains at the spot of the catch or recovery.
b. When a backward pass or fumble is caught or recovered simultaneously by opposing players, the ball becomes dead and belongs to the team last in possession (Exception: Rule 7-2-2-a Exceptions).

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That's the entire rule in question. It seems to me that the rules clearly mention both a fumble and backward pass as 2 separate conditions. If the rule about not advancing a fumble on 4th down was meant to include backward passes, it would have said "backward pass or fumble".

Also, the rules never define an incomplete backwards pass as a fumble, it becomes a loose ball.

Nicely, done RC. Conclusion is quite simple, a lateral or backward pass that hits the ground is simply not a fumble. Therefore the rules pertaining to fumbles only do not apply to lateral or backward passes.

you guys were never even in that game without the gifts we gave you. Have some self esteem will ya?

too bad it wasnt a fumble, it was a lateral that bounced and was caught