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re: ESPN would facilitate the SEC poaching VT/NCST from the ACC.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:46 pm to Mirthomatic
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:46 pm to Mirthomatic
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When discussing the issue w/ a Clemson fan who wouldn't have any way of knowing, sure. Feel free to ask any of the UTx fans here, or on any other board, what their preference would be.
you can find a few fans in any fanbase that agree with your premise on something. Doesn't mean majority of their fans would agree.
big 12 seems like a decent conference to me. if they can add a championship game which seems like they are working on, they will be fine. they could always add two more programs too, Boise State and BYU would be good
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Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:47 pm to Jamie Lannister
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They would only want to play those 3 if they are ranked. I don't see how replacing 3 programs that have been ranked a lot recently with 3 others that tend to be ranked, is a difference, other than the 3 new ones are further away and not rivals
You honestly don't see how Bama/Auburn/LSU is a bigger draw than TCU/Baylor/Tech?
Really?
In the interest of fairness, I'm giving you a chance to reconsider this position.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:48 pm to Mirthomatic
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You honestly don't see how Bama/Auburn/LSU is a bigger draw than TCU/Baylor/Tech? Really? In the interest of fairness, I'm giving you a chance to reconsider this position.
I think students who grow up in Texas and plains states would be more excited about playing other texas programs than SC, Kentucky, Vandy, etc.
it is great you like SEC but I don't think you guys see SEC as people whose teams in other conferences see it.
IF SEC is so much better, why do SEC fans talk the most about adding more teams? Even programs that aren't known for football like UNC and UVA. Is football going to improve in SEC if you add UNC and UVA, or NC State
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:51 pm to bah7tea
I do think any future SEC expansion would be east, not west, for much the same reason that Delaney added Maryland and Rutgers. Also, it makes zero sense to add schools in states where the league already has a presence (cough, Clemson, Florida State, cough). North Carolina and Virginia are the obvious states, with the added bonus of the DC TV market.
As someone else mentioned, AAU membership matters to the Presidents (see Missouri and Texas A&M). Neither NC State nor Virginia Tech fit this bill...it'd have to be some combination of UNC/UVa/Duke.
As someone else mentioned, AAU membership matters to the Presidents (see Missouri and Texas A&M). Neither NC State nor Virginia Tech fit this bill...it'd have to be some combination of UNC/UVa/Duke.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:56 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I think students who grow up in Texas and plains states would be more excited about playing other texas programs than SC, Kentucky, Vandy, etc.
They don't. This was proven when the SWC, which was at the end an entire conference contained w/in the state of Texas, collapsed and died. You had UTx/A&M/TCU/Baylor/Tech/SMU/Rice/Houston, all in the same conference. If people were so excited about just playing nearby schools, that conference would have never folded. But it did fold, because people (and recruits) thought it was boring.
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it is great you like SEC but I don't think you guys see SEC as people whose teams in other conferences see it.
My school was in the B12 for a long time before we joined the SEC. But A&M wanted into the SEC even before the B12 was formed. I know what it's like to look at the SEC from the perspective of a member of a different conference.
No disrespect, but I think you're letting your anti-SEC bias cloud your judgment.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 12:58 pm to Jamie Lannister
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IF SEC is so much better, why do SEC fans talk the most about adding more teams?
We talk the most about adding more teams because out of the conferences we are in the best position to add teams and make money on them.
We don't talk about realignment the most though. Not even close. The West Virginia forum, Shaggybevo and Landthieves are the most active places on the internet for realignment talk. The reason is because these Big 12 programs are most unhappy about the status quo despite your claims. Heck the shaggybevo thread on post-2011 Realignment has over 43 THOUSAND posts on the subject. That shows you their level of dedication to a life after the current Big 12.
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I think at least 65 percent would prefer to play texas and okla schools than SEC schools
The massive realignment threads on their forums where they basically beg the football gods to put them in the PAC or the SEC show that there is a large amount of discontent within the fanbase.
You are assuming that Texas gives a crap about its historical rivals. This is a program that refused to continue their annual games with Arkansas or A&M after we left. They care about money and the ability to beat their chest and beating USC/Oregon/UCLA or Bama/LSU/Florida is much better than beating Baylor/TCU/Iowa St no matter how good TCU and Baylor have been recently.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:00 pm to Mirthomatic
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No disrespect, but I think you're letting your anti-SEC bias cloud your judgment.
I'm not anti-SEC. I don't care about conferences in general. SEC programs tend to tout individual SEc program successes as a conference success. I don't view it that way.
I never pulled for FSU to win a national title. Laughed so hard when they lost to Oregon, in a similar fashion that they beat us at Clemson 2 years ago.
I pull for a program or two in each of the major conferences.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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out of the conferences we are in the best position to add teams
No you aren't. Outside of football games, which only happen 12 times a year (regular season), what is the draw to the SEC? It sure isn't academics. It sure isn't a share of the pile of billions of dollars in federal research money. It sure isn't to be apart of the AAU.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:04 pm to cardboardboxer
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You are assuming that Texas gives a crap about its historical rivals
I'd rather be seen as the best program in a conference, if I was Texas. It is a good recruiting pitch. FSU uses that pitch to recruits and obvciously it works.
I can understand the appeal of moving to SEC for schools like SC which can't really recruit based on uniqueness of its own program.
Only teams I see SEC getting out of big 12 are Oklolama St and one of the more northern schools who think Texas / Olkla have all the power
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:16 pm to nebraskafaninwi
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Outside of football games,
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:19 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I'm not anti-SEC. I don't care about conferences in general. SEC programs tend to tout individual SEc program successes as a conference success. I don't view it that way.
Cumulatively speaking, the SEC football programs have the most success. The bowl record for the conference, as well as the OOC record against other P5 programs, bears this out.
Look, I've given you evidence from what I read on UTx/OU message boards, what I hear on Austin sports radio, and my personal experience living in Austin. What evidence do you have to counter that aside from what you speculate to be the case?
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:20 pm to tylerdurden24
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Of course everyone was resistant to the changes whent hey were first posed, but now that we went through it once, it seems like a blast in hindsight.
Great point I didn't consider. Like a little kid being scared of a roller coaster while in the line but then demanding "I want to ride it again!" as soon as the coaster stopped.
For me it was exciting since the first news hit in 2009. I followed all of it like I have never followed a major news event and by 2011 I probably knew more about the makeup of conference media deals than most of the people working for ESPN. But my team was a team that was almost guaranteed improvement by a shifting landscape because the status quo up until realignment was so crappy for us. As some people wondered why the crappy Aggies would join the SEC, or even some Aggies admitted it was a huge risk in their eyes, to me it was nothing but the 100% obvious and best decision from day one. I foresaw everything that happened short of JFF, and that is why I cared so much. We undid decades of momentum against us in one shot.
Honestly nowadays I feel like a realignment hipster. Seeing all these new people wanting to talk about realignment must be what it feels like to have your favorite local band hit it big. All of these new posters don't know the old songs (like what a GOR is, or how a conference network is monetized, etc.) and they just want to hear the hits ("Huge program to the SEC!!!"). I feel pretty damn grumpy about it because where the frick were these people when realignment talk actually mattered? It is like sidewalk realignment fans.
I actually pre-emptively celebrated in 2010 when it looked like we would enter the SEC and was depressed for like six months afterward when it didn't happen. The whole time I saw realignment as my program's chance to actually matter, in fact it has been a way for many programs disenfranchised by history (TCU, UL, Utah, A&M, etc.) to break past their glass ceilings. Conference realignment is the great hope of the underdog.
To see realignment discussions be perverted into some sort of mega program fanfare is ridiculous. OU and Texas or FSU and Clemson to the SEC is a ridiculous notion, it just is. But what is more ridiculous is the people who keep pushing this crap despite no evidence that the point of realignment is to increase the quality of college football for the traditional fan. Hence why I am in every thread trying to correct people in vain.
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College football is now and always will be (god willing) about nostalgia. It's where old men go to feel young again, to reminisce about better, younger days. It's where old women gather to entertain and talk like they were still putting on rush parties and mixers. And all of a sudden you want to bump our longtime friends from Auburn off the schedule to bring in some yankee asses from the midwest to town instead? Like fricking hell!
Great point here. We like to think of it all as a big business, and some programs are run that way, but at the end of the day sometimes tradition and nostalgia matters more than money. In my opinion that perspective is the ACC's best hope of staying together 30+ years from now.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:22 pm to nebraskafaninwi
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No you aren't. Outside of football games, which only happen 12 times a year (regular season), what is the draw to the SEC? It sure isn't academics. It sure isn't a share of the pile of billions of dollars in federal research money. It sure isn't to be apart of the AAU.
Athletic Revenue is a decent reason/portion. But most people don't want to hear that the SEC simply isn't that great of an academic conference. Considering that is what college is for, education, a lot of folks fall back on the athletic prowess. Nobody wants to hear that they aren't the best.
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but at the end of the day sometimes tradition and nostalgia matters more than money
Sure doesn't seem like that anymore....quite the opposite actually.
This post was edited on 7/2/15 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:22 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I'd rather be seen as the best program in a conference, if I was Texas.
That was their idea when they stayed in the Big 12. The problem has been they haven't been the best program in what they feel is a crappy conference. Then it is lose-lose for them.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:23 pm to nebraskafaninwi
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No you aren't. Outside of football games, which only happen 12 times a year (regular season), what is the draw to the SEC?
Oh I don't know, maybe more money than almost every conference and more exposure than any conference?
We are talking about athletic conferences, not academic partnerships.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 1:29 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I think students who grow up in Texas and plains states would be more excited about playing other texas programs than SC, Kentucky, Vandy, etc.
Go read an OU board right now. They would much prefer to play Bama, Auburn, LSU or UF right now instead of Tech, KSU, Baylor or TCU. Their words. Not mine.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:16 pm to bah7tea
You make some good points in general, but this might be questionable...
Outside of FSU and maybe Miami, VT is about the closest thing the ACC has to a national brand in football.
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ESPN wouldn't lose too much value from the ACC's tier 1 media because VT and NCST aren't huge national brands
Outside of FSU and maybe Miami, VT is about the closest thing the ACC has to a national brand in football.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:18 pm to nebraskafaninwi
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No you aren't. Outside of football games, which only happen 12 times a year (regular season), what is the draw to the SEC? It sure isn't academics. It sure isn't a share of the pile of billions of dollars in federal research money. It sure isn't to be apart of the AAU.
This is gold considering y'all got KICKED OUT of the AAU.
Posted on 7/2/15 at 2:35 pm to Mirthomatic
'But if I had my druthers, I'd druther go to the Big 10 than the SEC. Much more respectable conference. The SEC, while currently a sports power conference, just seems sleazy to most outside of the SEC (just my humble opinion, no scientific poll to prove it).'
statement by Texas fan on orangebloods rivals.com website
statement by Texas fan on orangebloods rivals.com website
Posted on 7/2/15 at 3:04 pm to Jamie Lannister
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'But if I had my druthers, I'd druther go to the Big 10 than the SEC. Much more respectable conference. The SEC, while currently a sports power conference, just seems sleazy to most outside of the SEC (just my humble opinion, no scientific poll to prove it).'
statement by Texas fan on orangebloods rivals.com website
What is this supposed to prove? That this fan prefers the B1G to the SEC? Cool. Also, irrelevant. Does this fan also prefer the current B12 lineup over an SEC conference schedule? That would be evidence to support your position.
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