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re: ESPN taking a big subscriber hit lately ...

Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:44 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:44 pm to
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It has NOTHING to do with politics. NOTHING. Stop injecting your political team sport bullshite into what are purely economic forces.

I have never heard of anyone getting rid of cable completely because they didn't like one channel, but that is what it would take to get rid of a ESPN that is a basic channel on 90%+ of cable providers.

What people are "fed up with" is a cable bill that goes up every month, or has some promo rate that changes into a frick-you-in-the-arse rate when the promo period is up. People are sick of paying for 300 channels when they watch at most 5. People are sick of how cable providers push more and more options on us (each with a higher price) that we don't want.

The only thing significant related to ESPN in this whole deal is often sports are the hardest thing for a cord cutter to get. Even if you get ESPN you might not get ESPNU or alternate SEC Network without cable, which keeps sports fans locked in cable. Making the decision to drop cable depends on how badly they want to see every football game.

But make no mistake- the SEC Network model is completely fricked in 10 years and it has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with market forces that have been moving in a certain direction ever since Youtube was created.


You are wrong.

People are dropping cable and going to designer subscriptions for a reason ... and it has very little to do with saving money on cable fees.

HBO is suffering a similar issue because their politics are blatantly bleeding over into their programming and cable subscribers are unsubscribing from their channels because they are tired of the bullshite.

Most of ESPN's programming is offered in packages. Viewers who have no allegiances to ESPN's current programming, because they are tired of the politics ESPN pushes, are tuning-out ... but the SEC Network was a way for ESPN to force subscribers to hold onto additional packages that include ESPNU and ESPNNews, as well as ESPN Classic ... but they are robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The "Go" model is the way of the future. It so happens that, right now at least, the WatchESPN, ESPN3 and SECNet+ streaming features are the most profitable of all "Go" models being offered in the world ... right now. And it's strictly because of pure sports programming inventory that has zero political content polluting what viewers are choosing to watch.

With that stated, and it being a fact of the matter, and with increased bandwidth pipes being offered to larger markets in the near future ... the cable/sat world is in trouble, no doubt about it. Why? Because viewers will be able to pick and choose and the SEC, as well as other inventory providers with niche networks and products, will be able to insist upon individual offerings (packages and access) to their potential subscribers.

The SEC Network is a cash cow not only for the 14 member programs, but it is the saving grace for ESPN right now because it anchored what, 71 million subscribers so far, it anchored them into the total ESPN Package for the time being. Meaning, if you want to watch all of the SEC games available and not miss a minute ... then you have to have the full ESPN Sports package with the ability to watch the games (just talking football, baseball and basketball here) on ESPN, ESPNU, ESPN2, WatchESPN, ESPN3, the SEC Network and SEC Net+.

But it is inevitable that the leagues, the NCAA, the NFL, MLB, et al., will all see opportunities in the future to break-off from ESPN and stream their product independently ... if they want, and keep all of the revenue rather than having to share with ESPN.

Soon though, very soon, viewers will be able to stream only the shows and sporting events they want ... and they will be able to avoid those who agitate the helloutta them with the politics.

I saw an interview the other day with a bunch of cable provider pundits and they all agreed ... people are tuning-out because of the agenda driven spillover. One, I think he represented DISH, even admitted that they are able to monitor viewer preferences through their Hopper DVR systems and they were amazed to see the stats coming back as far as how many subscribers opted to block MSNBC from their guide menu along with the porn channels. And I think he said the new history channel, or the one that replaced History International, VICE I think it is called, a spinoff of HBO ... people are blocking it. DirecTV admitted the same thing but named some other channels subscribers were blocking.

I mean think about that. Subscribers are actually blocking channels that they are provided ...

That's not cable cutting. That's being tired of the bullshite, plain and simple.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:47 pm to
You have no clue what you're talking about.

You're taking your own political viewpoint (with which, by the way, I likely have a lot in common) and applying it to people whose motivations you could not possibly know.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted by LouisvilleKat
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:50 pm to
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HBO is suffering a similar issue because their politics are blatantly bleeding over into their programming and cable subscribers are unsubscribing from their channels because they are tired of the bullshite.


No. While you may care that much about your politics the vast majority of America doesn't care about politics enough to even watch the news or read the newspaper. I can't even find an article quoting HBO is losing subscribers.

I did find an article that HBO NOW HBO's own affordable streaming service gaining 800,000 subscribers in February though.

Posted by Giant Leaf
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:52 pm to
I watch way too many sports to ever drop cable or ESPN

I need all of my local fox sports networks for other sports. I need all the ESPNS. I need NBC sports. NFL Redzone.

But I dont mind paying because I am subsidized by those who dont watch sports and I am making out great
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:55 pm to
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There's a clause about digital distribution for the Longhorn Network. There probably is, too, for the SEC Network.



True, but it still means millions less per team when we get there.

Riding up a bubble is easy. You just increase the price.

Getting off the bubble is hard. It usually means a crash.

Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:57 pm to
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HBO is suffering a similar issue because their politics are blatantly bleeding over into their programming and cable subscribers are unsubscribing from their channels because they are tired of the bullshite.


HBO subscriptions are up...

You are really grasping at straws. Cable subscriptions have almost nothing to do with politics. Ratings might, but subscriptions don't.

We get it. You're mad at the evil liberals ruining everything in the world. Unfortunately for you, this situation has nothing to do with politics.
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:57 pm to
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You have no clue what you're talking about.

You're taking your own political viewpoint (with which, by the way, I likely have a lot in common) and applying it to people whose motivations you could not possibly know.



So you are saying that regardless of the numbers, the stats, the outcry from viewers ... you are saying that people are not tired of the political spillover onto ESPN?

That's what you are claiming ... that people do not care.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
58063 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 3:58 pm to
Why do people keep acting like ESPN is losing subscribers b/c of anything they are doing?

They are losing subs b/c people are cutting the cord due to it being way easier to watch TV shows via services like Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu. The odds are the vast majority of people cutting the cord aren't sports fans anyway and were only giving ESPN money b/c it's bundled in every single cable/satellite package.

This isn't an ESPN problem. It's an issue for every single channel on cable TV. If anything ESPN and the other sports networks are the only thing propping up the current bundle model (which BTW is why we get shows like Mad Men and Walking Dead on AMC or The Americans and American Horror Story on FX. If the bundle model dies it will be far less likely any cable channel will take a risk on an expensive high concept show. )
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:04 pm
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12363 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:00 pm to
much of it is due to the liberal preaching on ESPN.

i stopped watching them when they fired El Rushbo back in 2003 for saying McNabb was overrated.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3163 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:00 pm to
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That's what you are claiming ... that people do not care.


I never said they don't care. What I am saying is that it doesn't motivate them to cut the cord.

If I don't like the message of a show, whether it's a political message or any other kind, I don't watch the show. But I'm certainly not going to completely cancel my cable plan and thus deprive myself of every other program that I want to watch.

Maybe you would behave differently, but I guarantee you that more people think like me.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:01 pm
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3163 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:02 pm to
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i stopped watching them when they fired El Rushbo back in 2003 for saying McNabb was overrated.


Then you've missed a whole lot of Clemson games.
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:03 pm to
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Why do people keep acting like ESPN is losing subscribers b/c of anything they are doing?


It's called confirmation bias. A textbook case of it, in fact.

Scrooster (and those like him) hate ESPN because of the liberal bias they have slanted towards in recent years. He is then taking an unrelated phenomenon (the loss of subscribers, which is happening across the entire television landscape) and using that to confirm his disdain for ESPN.
Posted by Dr RC
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Member since Aug 2011
58063 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:05 pm to
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much of it is due to the liberal preaching on ESPN.


Except it isn't.

I don't know why people here cant get it through their heads that people are canceling cable because they can get all the various TV shows on Netflix, Hulu, and Amazon now.

It's not caused by people pissed about politics. It's caused by people who DGAF about sports at all no longer needing cable and satellite to watch TV.
This post was edited on 11/30/16 at 4:07 pm
Posted by CockyTime
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:05 pm to
I guarantee if they fire Stephen A. Smith that they'll likely get at least a million or so people to re-subscribe
Posted by Tillman
Member since May 2016
12363 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:07 pm to
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ot caused by people pissed about politics. It's caused by people who DGAF about sports at all no longer needing cable and satellite to watch TV.


i have a feeling you are a liberal.
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3163 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:08 pm to
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I guarantee if they fire Stephen A. Smith that they'll likely get at least a million or so people to re-subscribe


So you're saying that there are roughly a million TV viewers who dislike Smith so much that they didn't simply change the channel, but rather cancelled their cable or satellite service entirely?
Posted by bamawriter
Nashville, TN
Member since Apr 2009
3163 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:08 pm to
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i have a feeling you are a liberal.


I'm not, and he's 100% correct.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:09 pm to
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People are dropping cable and going to designer subscriptions for a reason ... and it has very little to do with saving money on cable fees.


Every single study on cord cutting says otherwise.

quote:

HBO is suffering a similar issue because their politics are blatantly bleeding over into their programming and cable subscribers are unsubscribing from their channels because they are tired of the bullshite.



HBO is suffering because they are having trouble finding a replacement for hit shows that are either off the air or close to off the air (GOT). Also the fact that Netflix is competing with them for top tier talent.

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Because viewers will be able to pick and choose and the SEC, as well as other inventory providers with niche networks and products, will be able to insist upon individual offerings (packages and access) to their potential subscribers.


That isn't going to happen though.

ESPN isn't just letting people get "The SEC Network." If you sign up for a streaming sports package with Slingtv or Sony Vue they are still bundling together.

A la carte doesn't mean every single channel is separated. It means I can get ESPN without Lifetime, or ESPN and Lifetime and not QVC.

ESPN still has a motivation to keeps its sports channels bundled together in a streaming era.

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But it is inevitable that the leagues, the NCAA, the NFL, MLB, et al., will all see opportunities in the future to break-off from ESPN and stream their product independently ... if they want, and keep all of the revenue rather than having to share with ESPN.


This you are right about. In the long run ESPN might not provide any value and they have to face that.

That is why Netflix is making its own content- the content provider will have the leverage in the new age instead of the company that controls distribution like before.

We are decades away from that though. ESPN has college football locked up for longer than either of us might be alive.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58063 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:10 pm to
I have a feeling you are immune to facts. I'm sorry but the reason ESPN is losing subscribers at a high rate has ZERO to do with politics. Anyone saying otherwise is completely ignorant to why the cable bundle system is bleeding subscribers.


Posted by penman
Member since Jul 2009
1317 posts
Posted on 11/30/16 at 4:17 pm to
Disintermediation in the digital age could be a factor.
It's been somewhat a problem to a great many sectors of the economy.
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