Started By
Message
re: Does LSU have a shot at Herman? I say yes, here's why.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:13 am to Stir of Echoes
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:13 am to Stir of Echoes
quote:
Everyone thinks Herman's end game is UT, what if it's a school just as prestigious that can recruit Texas like he wants? LSU fits that bill.
You know that is a good point. Out of all the elite jobs in college football, how many of them will realistically open up in the next 1-2 years? Ohio State has Meyer, Bama has Saban, Florida State has Jimbo, Kirby's just starting out at Georgia, and it's pretty unlikely McElwain will be given only three years at Florida. I only see three destination jobs that might open up by the end of 2017. That's Texas, LSU and USC. It'll be interesting to see how Texas does the rest of the season. If they have a good season, it'll likely buy Strong a couple more years. And I don't think the USC job is as attractive as LSU. Their athletic department is a mess and their fan support isn't anywhere near as strong as LSU. So I don't think it's unrealistic at all for LSU fans to think they can attract Tom Herman to come there.
1
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:17 am to Evolved Simian
quote:
I don't think they'll do it, even if they could come up with that kind of cash.
Watch us
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:36 am to OKtiger
But, at Texas you dont have beat this guy to keep your job.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:43 am to Stir of Echoes
if UH gets into the b12 i don't see herman leaving.
we need chuckster to win 8 games and UH to not get an invite. if that's the case, we would be herman's first choice of available jobs (unless miles pulls off some miracle and wins 10 games).
we need chuckster to win 8 games and UH to not get an invite. if that's the case, we would be herman's first choice of available jobs (unless miles pulls off some miracle and wins 10 games).
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:46 am to dbuchanon
quote:
But, at Texas you dont have beat this guy to keep your job.
Then why didn't Buck Tooth stay at Colorado State knowing he would get his shite pushed in by Saban if he ever made it to Atlanta?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:50 am to OKtiger
quote:
Colorado State
Totally different.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 12:54 am to RightHook
quote:
we would be herman's first choice
Tom told you this??
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:09 am to dbuchanon
out of the potential openings for 2017, which school other than texas would be a better job than lsu?
auburn would be the only one that's close.
hell, there can't be more than half a dozen jobs that are better in all of college football.
meyer, saban, and mcelwain aren't going anywhere next year.
usc isn't firing their coach after one year.
lsu is a better job than auburn, especially with saban in tuscaloosa.
charlie will win 8 games and be back at texas.
notre dame and ou aren't better jobs in the 21st century.
fsu isn't getting rid of jimbo.
waiting to hear what great job will be open next year that's better than the one in baton rouge.
auburn would be the only one that's close.
hell, there can't be more than half a dozen jobs that are better in all of college football.
meyer, saban, and mcelwain aren't going anywhere next year.
usc isn't firing their coach after one year.
lsu is a better job than auburn, especially with saban in tuscaloosa.
charlie will win 8 games and be back at texas.
notre dame and ou aren't better jobs in the 21st century.
fsu isn't getting rid of jimbo.
waiting to hear what great job will be open next year that's better than the one in baton rouge.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:17 am to Stir of Echoes
The real question, assuming LSU could get Herman, is how long the admins would give Herman to transform the program and develop personnel for his scheme? Though I seriously doubt he'd end up there, he'd have an easier time at Auburn with a system and recruits that align very closely to what Herman uses. LSU hasn't really been built for Herman's version of the spread. It'll take time, probably a couple of years at least, to rejigger LSU and find some recruits that can fill in the holes that the current roster will inevitably have because of what Les recruited them for. Even though I suspect most of the fans will give him leeway, I don't trust admins. Admins everywhere -- yes, even Bama -- are far better at numbers than actually understanding football.
Worse, the admins might understand just enough football to know that Herman's system will take some time to develop and shy away from hiring him after the debacle with Les' last couple of years.
Worse, the admins might understand just enough football to know that Herman's system will take some time to develop and shy away from hiring him after the debacle with Les' last couple of years.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:22 am to randomways
the only real difference between the lsu and auburn rosters is better players at lsu. c'mon bruh.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:28 am to RightHook
quote:
other than texas
Thats one
quote:
auburn would be the only one that's close
Thats a joke, right??
quote:
can't be more than half a dozen jobs that are better in all of college football
Ill give you that one
quote:
usc isn't firing their coach after one year
If they arent impressed with him and they think they can land a top name they may jump. Who knows?
quote:
charlie will win 8 games and be back at texas
You hope
quote:
notre dame and ou aren't better jobs in the 21st century
I'd say thoese 2 can offer whatever any other team can.
quote:
what great job will be open next year that's better than the one in baton rouge.
We dont know if the one here will be open. It was supposed to be open last yr. Les survived
I'd say if either UT,A&M,OU,ND or USC made a run at Herman, LSU isnt a lock.
I like Strong, he's our former DC but UT may not be willing to be patient with a big name out there like one from one of their in state teams. Which im sure makes Tom even more attractive.
I feel OU may pull the trigger on Big Game Bob this year.
ND, well who knows.Same with USC.
AU, ppfft no chance imo.
So my 3 who can run with LSU in this potential upcoming bidding war are Texas,OU and A&M if their current coaches screw the pooch. And lets not forget Houston, if they join the 12 it may all be a moot point.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:30 am to RightHook
quote:
the only real difference between the lsu and auburn rosters is better players at lsu. c'mon bruh.
Just to be clear -- you're saying football players are one-size-fits-all-schemes? That's not how football works. Talent is applied, not theoretical. Just because you're a five star, that doesn't mean you're adapted for a system that emphasizes certain skill-sets and measurables over others.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:39 am to dbuchanon
Texas, OU nor A&M are getting rid of their current HC's.
LSU is the best coaching destination by far! And it's not even close.
With Aranda (Herman's former college teammate) running the defense and Herman overseeing the offense and managing personnel, every other school would be irrelevant. Even that inbred sewage pond in T-town.
Just pray every night that LSU doesn't can Miles and want Herman.
LSU is the best coaching destination by far! And it's not even close.
With Aranda (Herman's former college teammate) running the defense and Herman overseeing the offense and managing personnel, every other school would be irrelevant. Even that inbred sewage pond in T-town.
Just pray every night that LSU doesn't can Miles and want Herman.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:42 am to dbuchanon
lsu is a much easier place to recruit than notre dame and ou. been that way for a while now.
i'll give ya texas and i didn't consider a&m. just think sumlin comes back, but you're right, it's not a sure thing. no way usc eats that huge contract after one year. thought it was dumb as hell to hire helton instead of herman last yer.
as far as athletic dollars, endowments aren't used for paying coaches. our athletic dept is always in the top 5 or so revenue makers in college football. all salaries are completely un-subsidized we coulda bought miles out last year and paid whoever, however much. politics got in the way. f.king alexander always crying about money, then getting mad at the taf.
i'll give ya texas and i didn't consider a&m. just think sumlin comes back, but you're right, it's not a sure thing. no way usc eats that huge contract after one year. thought it was dumb as hell to hire helton instead of herman last yer.
as far as athletic dollars, endowments aren't used for paying coaches. our athletic dept is always in the top 5 or so revenue makers in college football. all salaries are completely un-subsidized we coulda bought miles out last year and paid whoever, however much. politics got in the way. f.king alexander always crying about money, then getting mad at the taf.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:44 am to Accardo44
quote:
Texas, OU nor A&M are getting rid of their current HC's
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
quote:
LSU is the best coaching destination by far! And it's not even close.
Heard this last year between FSU and LSU. Jimbeaux is still a Nole.
quote:
Just pray every night that LSU doesn't can Miles and want Herman
Why? Oh yeah, it's LSU. If they want a HC, he's theirs. Thats what I was told last yr when I told LSU fans Jimbo wasn't coming.
The entitlement is amazing.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:45 am to randomways
i agree, but what differences in personel are you talking about. herman wanted kyle allen and got him.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:46 am to dbuchanon
Jimbo. Was on. The plane. 
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:48 am to RightHook
quote:
politics got in the way
Wont change this yr. How would it look to everyone with half of Baton Rouge's family's possessions sitting on the side of the road from the floods and LSU pays out 20+ mil to fix its coaching problems?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:49 am to dbuchanon
quote:
Ppl act like Houston doesnt have money
It's just when most of the city consists of A&M and LSU alums, in comparison, no you don't have money.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:55 am to RightHook
quote:
i agree, but what differences in personel are you talking about. herman wanted kyle allen and got him.
I'm sure he'd get the players he wants, but you have to keep in mind that he has two challenges: 1) bringing in his hand-picked talent; and 2) dealing with the roster already in place.
It's the second that's the real issue. He can't just clear them out like deadwood. They're there, they're talented, and they going to have to carry the program while Herman develops his own roster. At Auburn -- and, again, I seriously doubt they get Herman for many reasons, though none of them have to do with talent because even during their bad years, they recruited lights-out -- the job of teaching the players the new offensive scheme is fairly straightforward. This is something they were recruited for and were trained to do in college. Not so much with LSU players, who don't run anything like Herman's version of the spread.
So he has to teach them, forcing them into new roles and new set-ups if necessary. There are likely to be significant growing pains, and, getting back to the point I was making, it's a legitimate question whether the administration has the foresight and patience to understand the extent of what Herman needs to do to produce the results they want.
Page 3 of 5
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News