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Does Chavis need a ball control offense, with elite Time of Possession?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:07 pm
Ones of the Knocks consistently trotted out about the Chavis hire is that he has been protected by his team's time of possession.
I think we could go even further and say that, since correlation isn't causation, it's possible that often Chavis' elite defense getting off the field so quickly actually provided the opportunity for the offense generate more possessions/TOP.
A&M's TOP rank has averaged about 103, within 10 spots of the given data on UT.
Maybe A&M's talent isn't there yet, but I think it's pretty safe to assume significant defensive improvement.
S/O to Mirthomatic for the research.
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Ball control may have been a priority for the LSU offense, but it often wasn't a reality.
In 2009, LSU was ranked 107 in time of possession. Chavis still had the #26 Total Defense, and the #11 Scoring Defense.
A year later in 2010, LSU was #57 in TOP, while Chavis had the #12 Total D, and the #11 Scoring D.
Even during the great defense in 2011, LSU was only #26 in TOP.
In 2012 LSU TOP 9. Total D/ScoringD #8/#12
In 2013, LSU TOP: #57, Total D/Scoring D: #15/#21
In 2014, LSU TOP: #9, Total D/Scoring D: #9/#5
LSU had elite TOP in just ONE season of Chavis' tenure.
Also, let's take a look at how Chavis did at Tennessee.
In 2008, the Vols had the #3 Total Defense, and the #10 Scoring Defense. What was their TOP ranking? #98
In 2007, their TOP ranking was even worse, at #103, but Chavis still finished 70/61 in Total/SCoring D.
2006 - TOP #105, Total D/Scoring D #50/#33
2005 - TOP #73, Total D/Scoring D #7/#16
And that's as far back as the NCAA website keeps the TOP stat.
His defensive rankings have ALWAYS outperformed his teams' TOP, often by huge margins. Point being, there is AMPLE evidence to suggest that Chavis isn't dependent on a ball control offense.
I think we could go even further and say that, since correlation isn't causation, it's possible that often Chavis' elite defense getting off the field so quickly actually provided the opportunity for the offense generate more possessions/TOP.
A&M's TOP rank has averaged about 103, within 10 spots of the given data on UT.
Maybe A&M's talent isn't there yet, but I think it's pretty safe to assume significant defensive improvement.
S/O to Mirthomatic for the research.
TL/DR I know I know
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:09 pm
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:09 pm to Nguyening
Fair enough. Carry on
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:10 pm to Nguyening
Chavis needs speedy line backers, a stout front 7, and a head coach that will let him do his thing.
The offense is meaningless.
The offense is meaningless.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:10 pm to Nguyening
Yes, Chavis is great.
Only exceptions are if you're in a 3rd and long situation or have a slim lead late in the game.
Only exceptions are if you're in a 3rd and long situation or have a slim lead late in the game.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:11 pm to Nguyening
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Does Chavis need a ball control offense, with elite Time of Possession?
He needs to be able to stop teams on 3rd down.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:14 pm to Nguyening
That's actually damn impressive.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:15 pm to Nguyening
Interesting points. Obviously, we have to limit how much we can draw from the data, but I didn't know about the TOP stats.
Still the major concern.
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Maybe A&M's talent isn't there yet,
Still the major concern.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:16 pm to Nguyening
Chavis just needs an offense to take the pressure off of him. Something he never got in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:17 pm to Tennessee Jed
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The offense is meaningless.
The offense has an affect on the defense in every game for every team. No denying it.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:18 pm to TeLeFaWx
quote:Like in 2013? Am I doing this right?
Chavis just needs an offense to take the pressure off of him. Something he never got in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:18 pm to GeauxPack81
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The offense has an affect on the defense in every game for every team. No denying it.
2008 UT indicates otherwise.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:19 pm to Nguyening
He needs the elimination of third downs and the ends of halves and games.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:22 pm to NFLU
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Like in 2013? Am I doing this right?
Your offense was okay, not great. Reminds me of Ole Miss 2014.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to Nguyening
And here come the downvotes on a thoughtful, non-troll post.
How dare you show data that may go against the narrative, Nguyening!
How dare you show data that may go against the narrative, Nguyening!
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to Nguyening
I am not sure where this TOP came from with regards to Chavis.
Chavis scheme has always hinged on the D'line and LB's IMO.
He has mostly had the speed in all years at LSU. When LSU has absolutely looked like arse was when LSU was soft in the middle.
Nothing to do with the O IMO.
Even with a shitty O, LSU had the lead vs Bama in a few years only to watch it slip away.
Chavis scheme has always hinged on the D'line and LB's IMO.
He has mostly had the speed in all years at LSU. When LSU has absolutely looked like arse was when LSU was soft in the middle.
Nothing to do with the O IMO.
Even with a shitty O, LSU had the lead vs Bama in a few years only to watch it slip away.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to NFLU
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Like in 2013
Funny thing is, that was the worst ranked scoring defense under Chavis. 2nd worst total D.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to madmaxvol
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2008 UT indicates otherwise.
They lost every game in which the defense gave up 13 or more points.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to TeLeFaWx
What type of offense would you consider 59-0?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:24 pm to Nguyening
There is a difference between TOP and pace of play. Show me number of plays run. A game between LSU and Alabama will have 80 or so plays. A&M vs Auburn will be over 100 easily. That's alot more running for a defense to deal with when there offense gets off the field in a minute
Posted on 7/8/15 at 3:26 pm to Nguyening
It's not a must for his defense to work. The point is that any defense can work with LSU's clock eating offense last season, and it kept the facade that LSU's defense has been in a steady decline the last few seasons.
-tons of blown leads in even just the past two seasons
-why is the linebacker unit LSU's most glaring weakness on defense, and always has been under Chavis? I really thought we were going to take that next step recently, but Lamar Louis and Debo are exceptional athletes that haven't gotten any better
-Brick Haley flat out was suffocating our defense. we haven't even had a good pass rush in 4 years. It would have been nice for Chavis to put down the potato salad and come to terms his bud isn't getting it done
You can quit trying to convince us Chavis is good. Everyone knows he's good, but I'm happy LSU didn't cave and offer 1.6. LSU was on a steady decline with talent, and there was no end in sight. Steele may end up a huge failure, but that won't stop me from thinking a change might have been the best if Brick Haley was going to stay
eta: tl;dr LSU's talent on defense has been on a steep decline, and I would have liked Chavis to have Brick terminated after 2013
-tons of blown leads in even just the past two seasons
-why is the linebacker unit LSU's most glaring weakness on defense, and always has been under Chavis? I really thought we were going to take that next step recently, but Lamar Louis and Debo are exceptional athletes that haven't gotten any better
-Brick Haley flat out was suffocating our defense. we haven't even had a good pass rush in 4 years. It would have been nice for Chavis to put down the potato salad and come to terms his bud isn't getting it done
You can quit trying to convince us Chavis is good. Everyone knows he's good, but I'm happy LSU didn't cave and offer 1.6. LSU was on a steady decline with talent, and there was no end in sight. Steele may end up a huge failure, but that won't stop me from thinking a change might have been the best if Brick Haley was going to stay
eta: tl;dr LSU's talent on defense has been on a steep decline, and I would have liked Chavis to have Brick terminated after 2013
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 3:31 pm
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