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re: Do you think that expanding stadiums beyond 100,000 is a good or bad thing...
Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:32 am to BigOrangeBri
Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:32 am to BigOrangeBri
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Also, UT is one of the few schools experiencing attendance increases from the student fanbase.
Jones has actually done what Pearl did. Pearl made student attendance important and did tons of outreach and it succeeded. CBJ has done the same and has even shown up to the smallest of UT student-events (that goes a long way, imo).
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Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:35 am to Mister Tee
Definitely bad. I think we are in the prime of college football. Concussions will eventually take football down, and we will look like a country that just hosted the Olympics.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 12:38 am to Prof
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even shown up to the smallest of UT student-events (that goes a long way, imo).
Absolutely. Showing up to 20 events of 20 students does WAY more than showing up to 1 event of 2000.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 1:22 am to SwaggerCopter
Having a 100,000 stadium will not help or hurt. Maybe in the 90's it would help in recruiting but today it does nothing. LSU focused on increasing the number of luxury suites during it's last expansion. Which will generate significantly more revenue.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:19 am to Mister Tee
Similar to the megatron rat race, eh?
Posted on 6/11/15 at 3:34 am to Mister Tee
The era of expansion is ancient history. AD's are concerned about filling what they have at whatever current capacity happens to be. Times are changing.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 4:31 am to WorkinDawg
I like what UGA is doing. They put all capacity upgrades on hold. They are working on making the experience better. $15M into video and sound before last year. Took out the barricades between the concourse and seating so you can see while on the concourse. Added more concessions and bathrooms.
They plan to upgrade more premium seat, add fan zones, continue to improve wifi, and offer more to do around the campus on game days.
This is the right approach for the money at this time, IMO. Make the 95,000+ happy today and keep them coming, bringing their kids, etc. We have a large waiting list for season tickets for alumni and we should definitely keep it that way.
They plan to upgrade more premium seat, add fan zones, continue to improve wifi, and offer more to do around the campus on game days.
This is the right approach for the money at this time, IMO. Make the 95,000+ happy today and keep them coming, bringing their kids, etc. We have a large waiting list for season tickets for alumni and we should definitely keep it that way.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 6:13 am to NOTORlOUSD
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No NFL stadium seats more than 83,000 and yet many of the teams have waiting lists for season tickets.
Take away seats with corporate buyers in large metropolitan cities and I bet the supply is there. If seating for the wealthy is all you wind up with then long term fan support will dry up in a generation or two.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:13 am to Mister Tee
We get 4 season tickets to games at Bryant Denny every year.
Do we go to every game? Ofcourse not... But I do give ours to friends who do like to go to games, and as a result, I have been invited to hunting clubs and deep sea fishing trips.
At any rate, there is always a behind in my seat at every home game, so I am happy BDS seats 100,000. It's full more often than not.
Do we go to every game? Ofcourse not... But I do give ours to friends who do like to go to games, and as a result, I have been invited to hunting clubs and deep sea fishing trips.
At any rate, there is always a behind in my seat at every home game, so I am happy BDS seats 100,000. It's full more often than not.
This post was edited on 6/11/15 at 7:15 am
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:18 am to AU66
Probably a bad idea. Demand is dropping, a trend that will probably continue. I think it is unlikely an expansion now or recently will ever pay for itself and will just result in a lot of empty seats for all but 1-2 games a year.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:00 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
One of the biggest problems I see with expansion is that the infrastructure of the campus is rarely upgraded to accomodate the increased game day population.
For many SEC locales, quite literally the stadium can house more people than the city on gameday. This lends itself to huge traffic problems, lack of restaurants, etc etc etc. I love going to games... but even with tailgating, the entire gameday experience can be wearing.
For many SEC locales, quite literally the stadium can house more people than the city on gameday. This lends itself to huge traffic problems, lack of restaurants, etc etc etc. I love going to games... but even with tailgating, the entire gameday experience can be wearing.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:08 am to scrooster
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Both Michigan and Tennessee have looked plenty silly at times over the past ten years when they've had 40k or less in their stadiums for games. It looked far less because their stadiums are so big.
That is why we went with maroon colored seats.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:11 am to WorkinDawg
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The era of expansion is ancient history
What are you talking about? We just went over 100k.
We don't have the same problem as 99% of programs though as our student and young alumni participation is off the map. If anything the expansion ensured a lack of a generational gap in the stadium.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:45 am to cardboardboxer
Some will fill, some won't. Expected enrollment at A&M in the next 20 tears will approach 80,000.
......and of course we have that "cult" thing going for us. Always gonna need somewhere to sacrifice a goat on Friday night.
......and of course we have that "cult" thing going for us. Always gonna need somewhere to sacrifice a goat on Friday night.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:45 am to Mister Tee
Good thing. Explaining to a European that my University has one of the 10 largest stadiums in the world on campus, larger that their national stadium, is kind of fun. They are typically in awe.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:46 am to Mister Tee
NFL thinks its a dumb idea.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:50 am to Whens lunch
I'll save everyone the trouble:
Yes, at A&M, years of football have brought nothing but tears.
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Expected enrollment at A&M in the next 20 tears will approach 80,000.
Yes, at A&M, years of football have brought nothing but tears.
This post was edited on 6/11/15 at 8:51 am
Posted on 6/11/15 at 9:07 am to Mister Tee
Bad. A&M did it, and I think it's cool. But I think we will see nosebleeds get turned in to party decks sooner rather than later. It's just not an enjoyable experience for the price. I don't see millennials filling up nosebleeds in 20 years. Maybe if Athletic Departments monetize tailgating better, and force the nosebleeds on people, but otherwise... why? It's just sustainable, IMO.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 9:13 am to Mister Tee
Expansion is great.
BDS not only got an expansion, it got additions and renovations inside and out with the expansion.
Improvements to the astheics, concession upgrades, exterior renovations......
I love BDS it's massive and looks damn good.
BDS not only got an expansion, it got additions and renovations inside and out with the expansion.
Improvements to the astheics, concession upgrades, exterior renovations......
I love BDS it's massive and looks damn good.
Posted on 6/11/15 at 9:14 am to Mister Tee
I think it's a bad idea for the vast majority of programs. Maybe all programs.
Today's technology, HD televisions, wire cams, graphics and the fact that virtually every game (even Florida vs. Eastern Directional School) is now broadcast somewhere in HD means that fans have more options than ever before.
The reality is that your average gameday attendee is getting older and older. These folks attend games because 20+ years ago, there was no alternative to watching your team play. Maybe an SD broadcast on a major network for a big-time matchup or rivalry. So it's become a tradition and habit for them and they have cultivated a sense of appreciation for being in the stadium on game day.
The younger generation is used to watching a 60"+ HD screen from the comfort of their living room with cheap refreshments, climate controls, first-down/field goal graphics and instant recap/replays, all combined with the ability to switch instantly to another game during halftime/timeouts/blowouts.
The younger generation is much less likely to fight horrendous traffic, barely-adequate parking, giant crowds, overpriced mediocre concessions and heat/cold to sit a hundred yards from the field in the top left corner of the endzone. They can stay home and have a perfect view of every snap, drinking their favorite drink and eating whatever they like.
Having a giant stadium necessarily means that there are terrible seats. Seats far from the field at an odd angle. It also necessarily means that lines for restrooms/concessions/ticketing are getting bigger and bigger. More wear on the facilities means bigger and bigger upkeep cost to keep them serviceable, much less competitive with your bathroom/kitchen/delivery driver at home.
The NFL is downsizing/building smaller and more intimate stadiums because they are 100% profit driven. There isn't an academic institution associated with, for example, the Cleveland Browns to bear the brunt of costs in the case of undersold/unsold seats. In a world where stadium owners have to compete with HD televisions, it makes sense to make a smaller, more intimate and ultimately more competitive gameday environment.
The same will be true for NCAA football in the very near future.
I'm 37 and, barring serious illness, will never miss attending a UK football game. I have a couple of buddies who are usually down to go with me, but even then they weigh whether we want to drive 7 miles from my house to CWS, which takes about an hour on gameday, spend 30+ minutes getting inside the stadium and to our seats, fight long lines at the concession stands for popcorn/peanuts/hotdogs at $6.00 per pop, attend a 3+ hour football game, spend 45 minutes walking out of the stadium and another hour and a half driving home. And this is with me footing the bill for tickets.
There will always be a certain number of die-hard stadium goers. But as the older generation of fans who find it a necessity to head out to the stadium every Saturday die or stop attending games due to health, they are going to have to be replaced by younger fans who have the option of clicking a button and watching the game from the best seat in the house.
The younger generation is also comprised of ticketholders whose gameday experience at the stadium so far (save for those with parents with great seats) is either sitting in the student section (while in school) or sitting in the nosebleeds once they graduate.
I would wager that 10 years from now, colleges (the vast majority) with big stadiums will struggle to fill the seats and see costs rise enormously as they attempt to make gameday more attractive than a 90" HD screen and a robot delivering beer to the couch.
Today's technology, HD televisions, wire cams, graphics and the fact that virtually every game (even Florida vs. Eastern Directional School) is now broadcast somewhere in HD means that fans have more options than ever before.
The reality is that your average gameday attendee is getting older and older. These folks attend games because 20+ years ago, there was no alternative to watching your team play. Maybe an SD broadcast on a major network for a big-time matchup or rivalry. So it's become a tradition and habit for them and they have cultivated a sense of appreciation for being in the stadium on game day.
The younger generation is used to watching a 60"+ HD screen from the comfort of their living room with cheap refreshments, climate controls, first-down/field goal graphics and instant recap/replays, all combined with the ability to switch instantly to another game during halftime/timeouts/blowouts.
The younger generation is much less likely to fight horrendous traffic, barely-adequate parking, giant crowds, overpriced mediocre concessions and heat/cold to sit a hundred yards from the field in the top left corner of the endzone. They can stay home and have a perfect view of every snap, drinking their favorite drink and eating whatever they like.
Having a giant stadium necessarily means that there are terrible seats. Seats far from the field at an odd angle. It also necessarily means that lines for restrooms/concessions/ticketing are getting bigger and bigger. More wear on the facilities means bigger and bigger upkeep cost to keep them serviceable, much less competitive with your bathroom/kitchen/delivery driver at home.
The NFL is downsizing/building smaller and more intimate stadiums because they are 100% profit driven. There isn't an academic institution associated with, for example, the Cleveland Browns to bear the brunt of costs in the case of undersold/unsold seats. In a world where stadium owners have to compete with HD televisions, it makes sense to make a smaller, more intimate and ultimately more competitive gameday environment.
The same will be true for NCAA football in the very near future.
I'm 37 and, barring serious illness, will never miss attending a UK football game. I have a couple of buddies who are usually down to go with me, but even then they weigh whether we want to drive 7 miles from my house to CWS, which takes about an hour on gameday, spend 30+ minutes getting inside the stadium and to our seats, fight long lines at the concession stands for popcorn/peanuts/hotdogs at $6.00 per pop, attend a 3+ hour football game, spend 45 minutes walking out of the stadium and another hour and a half driving home. And this is with me footing the bill for tickets.
There will always be a certain number of die-hard stadium goers. But as the older generation of fans who find it a necessity to head out to the stadium every Saturday die or stop attending games due to health, they are going to have to be replaced by younger fans who have the option of clicking a button and watching the game from the best seat in the house.
The younger generation is also comprised of ticketholders whose gameday experience at the stadium so far (save for those with parents with great seats) is either sitting in the student section (while in school) or sitting in the nosebleeds once they graduate.
I would wager that 10 years from now, colleges (the vast majority) with big stadiums will struggle to fill the seats and see costs rise enormously as they attempt to make gameday more attractive than a 90" HD screen and a robot delivering beer to the couch.
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