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re: Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:07 pm to Guava Jelly
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:07 pm to Guava Jelly
Thus one game minute is about 4 mins 13 seconds in real time on average. Which means that a 4 minute difference in TOP equates to nearly 17 minutes in real time.
Oh wow! An additional 17 minutes spread out over 4 hours.
That must surely compensate for LSU's offense not being able to score any points when it matters the most.
Oh wow! An additional 17 minutes spread out over 4 hours.
That must surely compensate for LSU's offense not being able to score any points when it matters the most.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:13 pm to Old Sarge
Work on your reading comprehension, sweetheart. I'm not talking about scoring offensive points. I'm talking about the notion that the defense is somehow less rested when the offense is not effective.
The numbers bear out that LSU's TOP is consistently among the highest in the league regardless of offensive numbers. And Sumlin's teams consistently have lower TOPs.
So if the excuse for Chavis's inability to put together a good scheme on third downs late in big games is that his defenses are so exhausted, it is doubtful that he'll benefit from a system in which defensive players are on the field more.
The numbers bear out that LSU's TOP is consistently among the highest in the league regardless of offensive numbers. And Sumlin's teams consistently have lower TOPs.
So if the excuse for Chavis's inability to put together a good scheme on third downs late in big games is that his defenses are so exhausted, it is doubtful that he'll benefit from a system in which defensive players are on the field more.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:18 pm to Guava Jelly
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So if the excuse for Chavis's inability to put together a good scheme on third downs late in big games is that his defenses are so exhausted, it is doubtful that he'll benefit from a system in which defensive players are on the field more.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:24 pm to Old Sarge
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That must surely compensate for LSU's offense not being able to score any points when it matters the most.
really? Let's take a look at just last year
Wisconsin: LSU offense comes back from being down 24-7 to win 28-24
Florida: LSU takes lead with 2:40 left after a 4 and 30 coversion by Jennings and then a Dural one handed TD reception. Chavis of course blows the lead immediately and should have cost LSu the game, but Florida dropped a wide open pass and had to settle for a FG. He then gets bailed out when a Florida receiver bobbles a pass and Ricky Jefferson picks it off. (Florida was driving (again) inside LSu territory, almost in field goal range). LSU then makes a 50 yard field goal as time expired.
Ole Miss: LSU offense has a 13 play 97 yard drive to take the lead with 5 minutes to go
Texas A&M: LSU is only up 3, deep in their own territory with 6 minutes left. LSU offense drives it down to the A&M 26, takes 4 minutes off the clock, and forces A&M into a situation where they have to score a TD to win
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:30 pm to Guava Jelly
That seems logical to me.
But from my perspective I'd prefer to have a 2 score lead with 2 minutes to go than have a slightly more rested defense and only be up by 3 points.
But from my perspective I'd prefer to have a 2 score lead with 2 minutes to go than have a slightly more rested defense and only be up by 3 points.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:32 pm to lsufball19
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Wisconsin: LSU offense comes back from being down 24-7 to win 28-24
Shut out a team in the second half.
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Ole Miss: LSU offense has a 13 play 97 yard drive to take the lead with 5 minutes to go
Right. The Ole Miss game was because of the offense. How delusional are y'all? Seriously. It is sad.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:33 pm to Guava Jelly
quote:BOOOM!!
So if the excuse for Chavis's inability to put together a good scheme on third downs late in big games is that his defenses are so exhausted, it is doubtful that he'll benefit from a system in which defensive players are on the field more.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:34 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Shut out a team in the second half.
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Ole Miss: LSU offense has a 13 play 97 yard drive to take the lead with 5 minutes to go
Right. The Ole Miss game was because of the offense. How delusional are y'all? Seriously. It is sad.
that was a response to the LSU offense didn't perform when it mattered most. When it mattered most, they actually did come to play most of the time. They did what they needed to do, when they needed to do it, to win games
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:38 pm to Old Sarge
That's fine. But the knock against Chavis is not about defensive performance in blowouts. It's about defensive performance in close games.
A lot of Ags are hung up on the idea that Chavis will replicate his results in Sumlin's system. But because of the nature of the up tempo offense, it will be difficult if not impossible to have identical numbers in that system.
You can assume offensive production will stay somewhat constant, but defensively you cannot.
A lot of Ags are hung up on the idea that Chavis will replicate his results in Sumlin's system. But because of the nature of the up tempo offense, it will be difficult if not impossible to have identical numbers in that system.
You can assume offensive production will stay somewhat constant, but defensively you cannot.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:40 pm to Guava Jelly
That's where we differ
You see a 7-10 point lead as a blowout
I see that as an offense doing it's job.
You see a 7-10 point lead as a blowout
I see that as an offense doing it's job.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:50 pm to Guava Jelly
So, your argument is that fast-scoring offenses are the same as 3-and-out offenses? Is that what you are arguing?
We can end this discussion pretty quickly if that is your position.
We can end this discussion pretty quickly if that is your position.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:50 pm to Old Sarge
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You see a 7-10 point lead as a blowout
I see that as an offense doing it's job.
I don't understand what half of y'all are even arguing anymore. If that's the offense doing it's job then you should surely expect the defense to do it's job and keep that lead with under 3 minutes to play.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:52 pm to Old Sarge
You said two score lead. So we're talking 10-14 points. Not a blowout, perhaps. But it's a comfortable lead in a game's closing minutes.
The biggest issue is we're operating with two extreme schools of thought. A lot of vocal Ag fans think he will be the savior of the defense and his presence will catapult the team into national prominence. While a lot of vocal LSU fans think the difference will be negligible.
It will likely be somewhere between the two. TAMU will win a few more close ones making an 8-5 team last year into a 9-4 or 10-3 team.
The key difference there being in the perception of success versus what the team actually wins.
Again, time will tell. And until it does can we please lay this shite to rest?
The biggest issue is we're operating with two extreme schools of thought. A lot of vocal Ag fans think he will be the savior of the defense and his presence will catapult the team into national prominence. While a lot of vocal LSU fans think the difference will be negligible.
It will likely be somewhere between the two. TAMU will win a few more close ones making an 8-5 team last year into a 9-4 or 10-3 team.
The key difference there being in the perception of success versus what the team actually wins.
Again, time will tell. And until it does can we please lay this shite to rest?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:52 pm to MightyYat
Just be happy you were able to sign Steele.
Your problems are solved
Your problems are solved
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:54 pm to KaiserSoze99
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So, your argument is that fast-scoring offenses are the same as 3-and-out offenses? Is that what you are arguing?
If that's what you gleaned from everything I said above, you are not capable of a civil discussion this or any other topic
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:55 pm to texag7
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Your problems are solved
LSU wasn't the team with defensive problems, sweetheart
We'll be ok
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:58 pm to lsufball19
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LSU wasn't the team with defensive problems, sweatheart
I sure wish some of y'all would make up your minds
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:58 pm to texag7
have fun
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:58 pm to lsufball19
But but but I thought 3rd and Chavis cost you games?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:58 pm to Guava Jelly
You said that if we think the reason Chavis could not finish was a tired D, we are going to have the same problem.
Is that not what you typed? Are you knocking my reading comprehension?
Is that not what you typed? Are you knocking my reading comprehension?
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