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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:59 pm to Guava Jelly
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A lot of vocal Ag fans think he will be the savior of the defense
Well we do have a different perspective on this.
Vastly improved for us means a top 50
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:01 pm to lsufball19
So why do you call it "3rd and Chavis" when he excelled on third down % in 73% of losses?
Shouldn't yall come up with a better term so you don't look even more ignorant?
Shouldn't yall come up with a better term so you don't look even more ignorant?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:01 pm to texag7
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So why do you call it "3rd and Chavis" when he excelled on third down % in 73% of losses?
Shouldn't yall come up with a better term so you don't look even more ignorant?
We didn't give him that little nickname podnuh.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:02 pm to MightyYat
I know. The Tennessee factor was disproven in the other thread.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:05 pm to texag7
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Texag7
Stop posting here, it's hurting your health
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:07 pm to lsufball19
All se're saying is that LSU's offense has been bad. Then we get this stroke of genius:
an offense that can score at will but too quickly is rarely a problem.
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So if the excuse for Chavis's inability to put together a good scheme on third downs late in big games is that his defenses are so exhausted, it is doubtful that he'll benefit from a system in which defensive players are on the field more.
an offense that can score at will but too quickly is rarely a problem.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:10 pm to DVinBR
I don't have a dog in this fight but it seems to me that both LSU and Tenn fans have told the aggy's over and over it's not what he did on 3rd down in the 1st qtr. it's what he did in the last 5 min of the 4th yet the aggy's keep posting 3rd down % stats for entire games/season and thinking they won an argument. Aggy's are comparing apples to bananas because they love bananas? Hint you are only suppose to put the tip of the q-tip in your ear not try to push it through to the other side.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:11 pm to texag7
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texag7
Still Melting 12 pgs deep
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:13 pm to KaiserSoze99
No. You said the reason Chavis's defenses couldn't stop teams on third downs late in close games is because of "exhausted defenses."
You actually used the term "exhausted defenses" on multiple occasions.
I pointed out that, by nature of offensive scheme, Miles's defenses spend less time on the field than do Sumlin's defenses. Thus your argument that Chavis's defenses are too tired late in games is either bullshite, or the problem will not be corrected at A&M.
Pretty easy to comprehend I thought.
You actually used the term "exhausted defenses" on multiple occasions.
I pointed out that, by nature of offensive scheme, Miles's defenses spend less time on the field than do Sumlin's defenses. Thus your argument that Chavis's defenses are too tired late in games is either bullshite, or the problem will not be corrected at A&M.
Pretty easy to comprehend I thought.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:29 pm to texag7
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texag7
Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis" by texag7
So why do you call it "3rd and Chavis" when he excelled on third down % in 73% of losses? Shouldn't yall come up with a better term so you don't look even more ignorant?
'That was a close Chavis?'
'Chaved by the Bell?'
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:39 pm to Guava Jelly
That's what I thought, but I wanted to be sure before I respond.
Here are flaws in that argument.
1. Miles offense does not spend more time on the field, as has been demonstrated over and over with stats.
2. Even if they did, they could not score points. You need points to win.
3. I don't give a frick what kind of defense Chavis puts on the field in the final 2 minutes if the offense has given him a 20 point lead.
You are saying that a team that wastes more time but does not score puts less pressure on a defense than a team that scores at will, but makes the defense play longer?
We have said it and proved it on many threads on many occasions. It was the shite TON of LSU 3-and-outs and NO POiNTS to show for other drives that put the pressure on Chavis' defense. How can you NOT see that as the problem?
No team, in the history of football, has ever won a game with zero points. The fact that this is even a discussion amazes me.
Here are flaws in that argument.
1. Miles offense does not spend more time on the field, as has been demonstrated over and over with stats.
2. Even if they did, they could not score points. You need points to win.
3. I don't give a frick what kind of defense Chavis puts on the field in the final 2 minutes if the offense has given him a 20 point lead.
You are saying that a team that wastes more time but does not score puts less pressure on a defense than a team that scores at will, but makes the defense play longer?
We have said it and proved it on many threads on many occasions. It was the shite TON of LSU 3-and-outs and NO POiNTS to show for other drives that put the pressure on Chavis' defense. How can you NOT see that as the problem?
No team, in the history of football, has ever won a game with zero points. The fact that this is even a discussion amazes me.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:42 pm to texag7
Best Offensive line usually wins the game.
offensive line performance = QBR performance
offensive line determines if Chavis Wins ballgames.
offensive line performance = QBR performance
offensive line determines if Chavis Wins ballgames.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:51 pm to KaiserSoze99
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2. Even if they did, they could not score points. You need points to win.
We score points at will vs A+M which makes this perpetual meltdown by ya'll glorious
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:55 pm to KaiserSoze99
I am of the belief that HUNH offenses, without significant power run game, will have defensive struggles. It will be very interesting watching A&M and Auburn this year to see if my theory holds true.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:59 pm to KaiserSoze99
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1. Miles offense does not spend more time on the field, as has been demonstrated over and over with stats.
Yes. It does. What do you think "time of possession" means?
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2. Even if they did, they could not score points. You need points to win.
The discussion we are having is not about offensive points scored. It is about defensive capability late in close games. If you honestly believe that Chavis is going to make it so that your team NEVER plays a close game again, I'm not sure what to tell you.
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3. I don't give a frick what kind of defense Chavis puts on the field in the final 2 minutes if the offense has given him a 20 point lead.
If you had kept up with the conversation you will have seen that I said you can assume similar offensive numbers because the system will be the same. But you can't assume that Chavis will have the same results defensively in Sumlin's team scheme. Will it be better? Yes. Will you have a 20-point advantage in every game? Keep dreaming.
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You are saying that a team that wastes more time but does not score puts less pressure on a defense than a team that scores at will, but makes the defense play longer?
That's not what I said at all. I've adequately refuted your garbage assumption that Chavis's late game troubles on third down were a result of defensive exhaustion.
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No team, in the history of football, has ever won a game with zero points. The fact that this is even a discussion amazes me.
The fact that you even injected this useless drivel into the conversation amazes me.
Try to stay on topic.
This is all about team philosophy. Sumlin leans on offense to win games with uptempo spread attack. This philosophy does not breed strong defensive performances because the offense scores quickly and defenses spend more time on the field.
Inversely, Miles's philosophy is about ball control with the run game and heavy reliance on the defense. This in turn does not breed a lot of points. Thus, if the defense struggles late in close games, you lose.
Neither philosophy is wrong. But they're very different.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:03 pm to Guava Jelly
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Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
See you in November.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:08 pm to BroadMagnolia
The revisionist history from y'all is amazing 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:08 pm to texag7
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Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
It is NOT a myth.
To Chavis' credit Johnny Majors did say this about him.
"John Chavis has been saving Fulmer's job for the last 10 years."
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:09 pm to texag7
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Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Maybe aTm fans should start addressing Chavis concerns with UT fans.
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