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re: Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:10 pm to SavageOrangeJug
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:10 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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It is NOT a myth.
SOJ is incorrect.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:12 pm to texag7
Try recalculating those numbers when you have lead going into the 4th Qtr and see what you come up with 
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:14 pm to geauxcoco
Try having an offense that actually scores enough not to make the defense have to win all the time
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:16 pm to Guava Jelly
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Guava Jelly
I just wanted to point out that your reasoning and discussion without flaming and name calling like some of your brethren is much appreciated and admired
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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It is NOT a myth.
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SOJ is incorrect.
When you take a 10 point lead into the 4th quarter and lose by 4 you get back with me on that.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:18 pm to texag7
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No it is not real. Opponents were held under their avg 3rd down % in 73% of your losses.
When the game is ON THE LINE, and you absolutely need a defensive stop, which happens how many times a season? Yeah, it doesn't necessarily show up in statistics.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:18 pm to TbirdSpur2010
See the above post. Miles's offense has always been about a strong run game, ball control and strong defensive play. This does not beget a lot of points.
Meanwhile Sumlin's philosophy is about scoring a lot quickly. This does not beget good defensive performances since defenses are on the field longer.
Will Chavis improve your defense? Probably. Will it be a VAST improvement. Maybe, maybe not.
But you can get your sweet arse there will be close games in your future. And you better hope your offense carries you, because Chavis will give up points late. It's his MO.
Meanwhile Sumlin's philosophy is about scoring a lot quickly. This does not beget good defensive performances since defenses are on the field longer.
Will Chavis improve your defense? Probably. Will it be a VAST improvement. Maybe, maybe not.
But you can get your sweet arse there will be close games in your future. And you better hope your offense carries you, because Chavis will give up points late. It's his MO.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:18 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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10 point lead into the 4th quarter
Offenses that sit on their hands all game tend to have this problem
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:18 pm to SDVTiger
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We score points at will vs A+M which makes this perpetual meltdown by ya'll glorious
The last three years you have scored 15 times out of 39 possessions. More than enough to beat us, but hardly classified as an "at will" offensive performance.
Then again, with LSU's anemic offense performance each season, perhaps a scoring percentage of 38% would be viewed by the fans as "scoring at will" compared to the rest of the teams you play. Kuddos to you.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:21 pm to Guava Jelly
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Will Chavis improve your defense? Probably.
That's all we wanted.
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you can get your sweet arse there will be close games in your future.
Never said otherwise.
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you better hope your offense carries you
Enter Sumlin.
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Chavis will give up points late. It's his MO.
Dragging teams with sorry offenses to the brink of victory in games they shouldn't have been in is his MO. He'll be in heaven knowing he actually has so life on the other side of the ball.
Also, for a fanbase that is on a 4 game win streak, y'all are insecure as frick
Entertaining tho
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:22 pm to Old Sarge
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Old Sarge
I try to stay above the fray for the most part. The arguments on both sides are reminiscent of apes flinging shite at one another.
Lots of hyperbole. Lots of people really not having accurate and reliable information on which to base arguments.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:22 pm to Guava Jelly
I have already conceded that if Chavis' 2-minute defense consists of 10-yard cushions, he is at fault for the loss if the other team scores. All I said was that Chavis' is not totally at fault for doing so if be believes his defense is too tired to play in the same scheme as the previous 58 minutes.
The reason for the tired D? 3-and-out Cam.
Again, Chavis is responsible for making sure his D can play. Part of that is knowing that Cam's offense sucks donkey arse and preparing for it by making his players run 40 40-yard wind sprints daily.
I am placing blame where blame is due. At the same time, I can see why he wanted to leave.
A "tired defense" is only a potential, although weak excuse for Chavis deciding to go into prevent defense. Don't make that speculation on my part more that it is.
The reason for the tired D? 3-and-out Cam.
Again, Chavis is responsible for making sure his D can play. Part of that is knowing that Cam's offense sucks donkey arse and preparing for it by making his players run 40 40-yard wind sprints daily.
I am placing blame where blame is due. At the same time, I can see why he wanted to leave.
A "tired defense" is only a potential, although weak excuse for Chavis deciding to go into prevent defense. Don't make that speculation on my part more that it is.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:27 pm to KaiserSoze99
I'm tired of explaining team philosophy to people who clearly don't get it.
I give up. Y'all are right. Fun and gun is the only viable football philosophy. Ball control and reliance on the defense has never been worth a shite.
I'll start preparing for Sumlin's 10 consecutive national championships.
I give up. Y'all are right. Fun and gun is the only viable football philosophy. Ball control and reliance on the defense has never been worth a shite.
I'll start preparing for Sumlin's 10 consecutive national championships.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:32 pm to lsufball19
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When it mattered most, they actually did come to play most of the time. They did what they needed to do, when they needed to do it, to win games
My God. You will tell yourselves anything. It's amazing.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:36 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Try having an offense that actually scores enough not to make the defense have to win all the time
Well, that's something y'all didn't do against Bama last year and damn near lost to ULM. That had nothing to do with your defense. Y'all may have more problems than you even know.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:36 pm to Guava Jelly
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I give up. Y'all are right. Fun and gun is the only viable football philosophy. Ball control and reliance on the defense has never been worth a shite.
Look, our teams just need different things.
LSU either needs a defense that will be able to prevent a field goal or touchdown in the last 2 minutes of the game. Or an offense that can create a lead bigger than one score.
A&M needs a defense that can get one or two more stops during the game and for it's offense to continue to build multiple score leads
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:41 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Try having an offense that actually scores enough not to make the defense have to win all the time
thought this was a defensive thread
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:45 pm to Guava Jelly
Don't get me wrong. As Captain Obvious would say: Ball control offense is great ------- IF those long, sustained drives result in points on the scoreboard.
Ball control for the sake of ball control is useless.
Attempted ball control that makes an offense one-dimentional and easy to defend is a common result in today's football. On the flip side, fast-scoring offenses that force opposing offenses out of their comfort zone, just to keep up, is a recipe for success IF the defense knows how to stop it. Shutting down HUNH offenses appears to be Chavis' strength.
Will it work? I don't know, but on paper, and in theory, a Sumlin offense forcing a shootout, coupled with a Chavis defense that has been better than most at stopping a Sumlin-type offense appears to be a great strategy.
In theory:
1. HUNH
2. force the other team to do the same.
3. use the HUNH shutdown specialist to stop the opposing HUNH.
4. ????
5. Profit.
It looks good on paper. That's all. Yet to be demonstrated as effective.
Ball control for the sake of ball control is useless.
Attempted ball control that makes an offense one-dimentional and easy to defend is a common result in today's football. On the flip side, fast-scoring offenses that force opposing offenses out of their comfort zone, just to keep up, is a recipe for success IF the defense knows how to stop it. Shutting down HUNH offenses appears to be Chavis' strength.
Will it work? I don't know, but on paper, and in theory, a Sumlin offense forcing a shootout, coupled with a Chavis defense that has been better than most at stopping a Sumlin-type offense appears to be a great strategy.
In theory:
1. HUNH
2. force the other team to do the same.
3. use the HUNH shutdown specialist to stop the opposing HUNH.
4. ????
5. Profit.
It looks good on paper. That's all. Yet to be demonstrated as effective.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:55 pm to swinetime
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thought this was a defensive thread
It is. We're debating realistic expectations for a defense. But LSU fans keep criticizing Chavis for losses in which the offense usually deserves the great majority of the blame.
And what success LSU fans admit Chavis has, they then want to attribute to Les Miles (mythical) "ball control" offense.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:57 pm to Guava Jelly
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Ball control and reliance on the defense has never been worth a shite.
Serious questions: why do you think LSU has a ball control offense? Have you looked at where LSU has ranked in TOP during Chavis' stint as DC?
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