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re: Dispelling the myth of "3rd and Chavis"
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:40 am to lsufball19
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:40 am to lsufball19
We have 3 long threads of A&M and LSU fans talking past each other.
LSU fans are saying that Chavis is great all game long until the final few minutes when he goes into "prevent" defense and gives the game away.
A&M fans are saying that his 2-minute drill defense is not a 3rd down problem and that the blame should not fall solely on the D when the offense failed to put up points at other times during the game when the D was working its arse off to keep the game in hand.
My final word on this horse-beaten topic:
Chavis needs to drop the stupid 2-minute prevent D in tight games. That is partly on him. Slocum did that very same thing. It is madening and I hope Sumlin is able to keep his arse in check. However, the offense MUST share the load and at least move the ball to give the D rest, or score, so the entire game is not dependent on a worn-out D after 58 minutes of carrying the offenses shite water.
Both fan bases are right, but nobody will acknowledge it because frickLSU®.
GOD, I love tRant.
LSU fans are saying that Chavis is great all game long until the final few minutes when he goes into "prevent" defense and gives the game away.
A&M fans are saying that his 2-minute drill defense is not a 3rd down problem and that the blame should not fall solely on the D when the offense failed to put up points at other times during the game when the D was working its arse off to keep the game in hand.
My final word on this horse-beaten topic:
Chavis needs to drop the stupid 2-minute prevent D in tight games. That is partly on him. Slocum did that very same thing. It is madening and I hope Sumlin is able to keep his arse in check. However, the offense MUST share the load and at least move the ball to give the D rest, or score, so the entire game is not dependent on a worn-out D after 58 minutes of carrying the offenses shite water.
Both fan bases are right, but nobody will acknowledge it because frickLSU®.
GOD, I love tRant.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 9:42 am
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:41 am to BigBrod81
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There are numerous other instances of teams losing the turnover battle yet winning game but the game I chose to highlight was one of the most memorable games in football history.
you mean like UT winning the turnover battle against LSU in 2006 4 to 1 and losing on a TD pass with a few seconds left on the clock
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:42 am to KaiserSoze99
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We have 3 long threads of A&M and LSU fans talking past each other.
LSU fans are saying that Chavis is great all game long until the final few minutes when he goes into "prevent" defense and gives the game away.
A&M fans are saying that his 2-minute drill defense is not a 3rd down problem
And to be fair, Tennessee fans are the ones that coined the term 3rd and Chavis.
At LSU it was more of a "Under 2 minutes left and Chavis" issue.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:44 am to MetryTyger
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2010 Arkansas
Arkansas scores an 80 yard TD ON THE LAST PLAY OF THE FIRST HALF !! Are you MF KIDDING ME ?????
2012 Alabama
LSU had held Bama to 40 yards total offense and 1 first down the ENTIRE SECOND HALF. But when Bama gets the ball with under two minutes to go? Well, you know. And I don't believe Mettenberger was on the field at that time.
2012 Clemson
Clemson had a FOURTH AND SIXTEEN from deep in their own territory.............and they give up a 16 1/4 yards.......and Clemson drives right down the field.
2013 Ole Miss
Once again, Ole Miss scores a TD in crunch time
2014 Alabama
And, yet AGAAAAAAAAAAAAIN, Chavis shits the bed with under a minute left. After holding Alabama to 0 first downs and 20 yards total offense in the second half, when Alabama gets the ball with under a minute left, remind me what happens AGAAAAAAAAAAIN ????
It's like you're trying to prove our point...
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2014 Notre Dame
What did Chavis do THAT game, sit there with his thumb up his arse ??????????????????
Well I think we all know what happened there
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:46 am to texag7
I'll bite...
I like how the OP includes all games, but neglects stats for close games vs quality opponents (you know, since that's what the issue with "3rd and Chavis is all about").
Keep on keeping on, Ags.
I like how the OP includes all games, but neglects stats for close games vs quality opponents (you know, since that's what the issue with "3rd and Chavis is all about").
Keep on keeping on, Ags.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:47 am to texag7
All that I need to know is that Chief cost us the last two Alabama games in Tiger Stadium. His defense turns to Swiss cheese when it comes to final drives of the game.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:50 am to thunderbird1100
The 2-minute D is a problem that I can understand. With the exeption of the 44-41 Georgia game, most of the time, the offensive production was pitiful. I am sure Chavis' response to his critics would be that the defense was too tired to play man cover that late in the game and he went to a10-yard cushion to prevent his tired DBs from getting burned and giving up a big play.
It is still not an excuse. If the offense sucks arse, it is his job to make sure his D players are properly conditioned.
It is still not an excuse. If the offense sucks arse, it is his job to make sure his D players are properly conditioned.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:54 am to KaiserSoze99
I like you Kaiser. 
And Farmer 1906 and Old Sarge. Even ag sometimes.
I'll say this, y'all are very knowledgable and would be great tailgaters/conversationalists
And Farmer 1906 and Old Sarge. Even ag sometimes.
I'll say this, y'all are very knowledgable and would be great tailgaters/conversationalists
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:56 am to VADawg
It is really this simple we live and die with the damn Bama game typically. We lose that and we are out of contention for Sec Championship, Natty et al. Typically will lose the next week too. In 2 out of 3 last Bama games, the defense which destroyed Bama all game gave up 3 TD in last 2 minutes of 3 of the 4 halves losing the game. Last years lost with a QB not even expected to play before the season was icing on the cake. I don't know why he does that.
3rd and Chavis is not an LSU deal it was a UT deal and we were warned about it but tried to dispel it just like you are now. Yes Les Miles 1937 offense doesnt always help, but it does keep defense fresh typically with TOP advantage.
He is a great coach, a hell of a lot better than you faggies deserve. Doesnt recruit worth a shite and is old and set in his ways like Spurrier but no big deal. You can win with him. But you will never win a Natty or beat Bama regularly with him as Satan has his number.
We are about completing for National Championship and Miles used to have good record vs Bama until the disaster in the Sugar Bowl. They have to beat us too although they get 2 chances. If Satan wins the next 2 or 3 in a row we will get rid of Miles too.
We really don't care if you guys ever win a Natty but we were counting on you beating Bama 3 or 4 times a decade, (Which is why we picked you to join the SEC, and we want to recruit more in Texas), now that will never happen. Plus you we be better against us too. So Losing him to yall is a lose lose for us. No chance versus Bama and better versus us. As in all things SEC Bama gets another advantage.
Only positive is that it keeps Sumlin around a little longer.
3rd and Chavis is not an LSU deal it was a UT deal and we were warned about it but tried to dispel it just like you are now. Yes Les Miles 1937 offense doesnt always help, but it does keep defense fresh typically with TOP advantage.
He is a great coach, a hell of a lot better than you faggies deserve. Doesnt recruit worth a shite and is old and set in his ways like Spurrier but no big deal. You can win with him. But you will never win a Natty or beat Bama regularly with him as Satan has his number.
We are about completing for National Championship and Miles used to have good record vs Bama until the disaster in the Sugar Bowl. They have to beat us too although they get 2 chances. If Satan wins the next 2 or 3 in a row we will get rid of Miles too.
We really don't care if you guys ever win a Natty but we were counting on you beating Bama 3 or 4 times a decade, (Which is why we picked you to join the SEC, and we want to recruit more in Texas), now that will never happen. Plus you we be better against us too. So Losing him to yall is a lose lose for us. No chance versus Bama and better versus us. As in all things SEC Bama gets another advantage.
Only positive is that it keeps Sumlin around a little longer.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:03 am to dreamer
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All that I need to know is that Chief was the only reason we had a chance in the last two Alabama games in Tiger Stadium.
fify
This is what always kills me about LSU complaints against Chavis. Chavis holds Bama far below their scoring average, gets virtually no help from his offense, and who do many (most?) LSU fans blame for the losses? Why, Chavis, of course!
I get that losing close games is a heart-breaker. But your anger should be directed at the offense that spent it's time looking like a monkey fricking a football.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:10 am to TutHillTiger
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3rd and Chavis is not an LSU deal it was a UT deal and we were warned about it but tried to dispel it just like you are now. Yes Les Miles 1937 offense doesnt always help, but it does keep defense fresh typically with TOP advantage.
LSU doesn't have a TOP advantage. In fact, LSU is very much middle-of-the-pack for all of D1 when it comes to TOP. Check the TOP rankings if you don't believe me, or any of the numerous threads on the issue. The LSU TOP advantage is an LSU fan myth propagated in a desperate attempt to find some benefit of Miles' offense. That offense can't be defended on it's own merits or success, so the LSU fan tactic has been to (falsely) attribute some of LSU's defensive success to the offense.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:14 am to Mirthomatic
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gets virtually no help from his offense,
Chavis got 435 yards and 17 points of help against Alabama in 2012. Alabama was averaging 250 yards allowed and 10.9 points per game in 2012. They allowed 173 yards passing per game, Mettenberger threw for 296. They allowed 76 rushing yards a game. LSU nearly doubled that and ran for 139. The offense gave Chavis a lead in the 4th quarter on a Mettenberger TD pass to Jarvis Landry. Alabama got the ball with 1:34 left on the lock on the 28 yard line. It took them all of 43 seconds to take the lead. That's on John Chavis, I'm sorry.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:22 am to MetryTyger
Metry
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:24 am to texag7
OP, I can tell you haven't been watching football for many years.
You should learn what is actually meant by 3rd and Chavis. It has nothing to do with third down conversation percentages.
Just go to the LSU board and ask them what is mean by 3rd and Chavis and you will have a better grasp of its meaning.
You should learn what is actually meant by 3rd and Chavis. It has nothing to do with third down conversation percentages.
Just go to the LSU board and ask them what is mean by 3rd and Chavis and you will have a better grasp of its meaning.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:30 am to lsufball19
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Chavis got 435 yards and 17 points of help against Alabama in 2012. Alabama was averaging 250 yards allowed and 10.9 points per game in 2012. They allowed 173 yards passing per game, Mettenberger threw for 296. They allowed 76 rushing yards a game. LSU nearly doubled that and ran for 139. The offense gave Chavis a lead in the 4th quarter on a Mettenberger TD pass to Jarvis Landry. Alabama got the ball with 1:34 left on the lock on the 28 yard line. It took them all of 43 seconds to take the lead. That's on John Chavis, I'm sorry.
Bama was averging 40.6 points per game that year leading up to the LSU game. Chavis held them to 20 points less than their average.
So to put this in perspective: the LSU offense scored 6 points more than what the Bama defense was surrendering that season. While the LSU defense limited Bama to 20 points less than what they had been scoring.
You're right. Clearly, the defense was the problem that game.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:32 am to Mirthomatic
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You're right. Clearly, the defense was the problem that game.
I know I'm right. Chavis couldn't hold onto a 4th quarter lead in the final 2 minutes of the game, yet again
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 10:44 am to lsufball19
So Chavis was playing?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:23 am to Old Sarge
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So Chavis was playing?
oh, so Chavis isn't responsible for how the defense plays? Damn, I guess y'all just wasted 1.7 million
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:30 am to MetryTyger
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:02 pm to KaiserSoze99
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am sure Chavis' response to his critics would be that the defense was too tired to play man cover that late in the game
If this is his excuse, he's either a liar or he's just dumb. And his problem will only get worse at TAMU.
Time of possession is usually a pretty worthless stat, but in this instance it means rest for the defense. Miles' game is ball control. Since Chavis got to LSU the average time of possession is roughly 31 minutes. That puts LSU teams at or near the top of the league every year.
Meanwhile, over the same timespan Sumlin's teams (at UH and TAMU) averaged roughly 27 minutes in TOP.
Now on the surface, 4 minutes doesn't seem like a lot of rest. But remember this is game clock. The average length of current college football games in real time is 3hrs 23 mins, or 203 minutes.
Thus one game minute is about 4 mins 13 seconds in real time on average. Which means that a 4 minute difference in TOP equates to nearly 17 minutes in real time.
TL,DR
But your argument is invalid.
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