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re: Did Lane Kiffin blow the game for Bama?
Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:38 pm to Masterag
Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:38 pm to Masterag
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Cause Kiffin was the only person keeping Bama in the game.
That had more to do with Coker than it did with Kiffin. There were several key 3rd down plays in the second half where the play broke down and Coker kept the drive alive with his feet.
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The D was a HUGE letdown
Disagree. I believe Ole Miss mounted one sustained drive in the first half and that drive stalled just across midfield. All 17 of their first half points were generated by drives that started inside the Alabama 30-yard line. And if you eliminate those two fluke plays in the second half that went yard, Ole Miss finishes with below 300 yards of total offense.
The defense played very well.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 11:41 pm
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Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:38 pm to East Coast Band
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He'll be a head coach somewhere next year.
Very doubtful.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:54 pm to RollTide1987
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That had more to do with Coker than it did with Kiffin
So Coker gets credit for the good but not the bad? I know you didn't say that, but lots of other Bama posters touting this. I'll allow it, good point.
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All 17 of their first half points were generated by drives that started inside the Alabama 30-yard line
touche, that was on special teams and throwing picks(both QBs.)
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And if you eliminate those two fluke plays in the second half that went yard
This is where I must disagree. If DBs go for the ball on the fluke play in the 3rd, then fluke play doesn't happen.
The other play I'm guessing you're calling a fluke was 1. a badass call and execution by the play caller and swag, and 2. a coverage error on the corner who didn't stay with his man. I know the OT was downfield and this might be a factor, but if you look at the DB's eyes he's only focused on the QB, who was already contained.
Then the last TD was pretty much all Treads imposing his will and size, not much anyone can do about that. Overall, I agree the D played well, but I think there were two mental errors that cost the game.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:25 am to Masterag
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If DBs go for the ball on the fluke play in the 3rd, then fluke play doesn't happen.
It was a tip ball was it not? I thought both the offensive and defensive players were going for it. It just so happened to take a fortuitous bounce into the hands of a waiting Ole Miss WR.
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I know the OT was downfield and this might be a factor, but if you look at the DB's eyes he's only focused on the QB, who was already contained.
The OT wasn't the only one downfield. #17, whoever that is, was also blocking beyond the line of scrimmage. He is an eligible receiver and so that should have drawn an offensive pass interference penalty. The play, as it is designed, is meant to (illegally) take advantage of the defense's discipline. If the refs do their job on that play that TD never happens.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:26 am to BrerTiger
RUN THE DANG BALL!!!!
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:27 am to Masterag
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This is where I must disagree. If DBs go for the ball on the fluke play in the 3rd, then fluke play doesn't happen.
One DB went for the ball and tipped it. The ball hit Minkah Fitzpatrick in the helmet and bounced. That's a fluke play.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:50 am to Masterag
Anyone who claims they can see the corners eyes or thinks that it even matters is full of crap.
Our RZ defense is a bit of a concern to me however.
Our RZ defense is a bit of a concern to me however.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:52 am to BrerTiger
Bottom line
Yes he did
Yes he did
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:35 pm to BrerTiger
Well, this is interesting. Now Finebaum and Wimp Sanderson are both on record this week saying Kiffin won't be back next year.
I don't know of any others that have come out and made such statements this week. Unrelated to today's wild rumors, that is.
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TheREALJimTuscaloosa ?@JimTuscaloosaAl 1h1 hour ago Tuscaloosa, AL
Talkster/former Bama BB Coach,Wimp Sanderson just stated on talk radio, 'Lane Kiffin Will Not be back at Bama next year.'
I don't know of any others that have come out and made such statements this week. Unrelated to today's wild rumors, that is.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 12:44 pm to BrerTiger
1.) Talked Satin into starting CutBaitMan.
2.) Thinks Drake is second coming of Reggie Bush, but in reality he carries the football like a valley girl swings her purse at the mall on the Saturday night.
So, yeah.
2.) Thinks Drake is second coming of Reggie Bush, but in reality he carries the football like a valley girl swings her purse at the mall on the Saturday night.
So, yeah.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:04 pm to BrerTiger
I question his play calling throughout the whole game. When your opponent has a strong passing game and weak running game, and you have a strong running game and suspect passing game, you keep it on the ground to keep the ball out of Swag's hands and wear their defense down right? No apparently you throw it 59 times
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:16 pm to BrerTiger
Bama doesn't lose...they just beat themselves.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:19 pm to Grim
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When your opponent has a strong passing game and weak running game, and you have a strong running game and suspect passing game, you keep it on the ground to keep the ball out of Swag's hands and wear their defense down right? No apparently you throw it 59 times
I did it in another thread but it is worth repeating here.
Bama indeed threw the ball 59 times but if you go back and review the play-by-play, you'll discover that 26 of those passes came in the 4th quarter plus the last 4 minutes of the 3rd - which was the start of the Alabama possession after Ole Miss went up 30-10.
In a nutshell, Bama threw almost half their passes in the last quarter of the game - which makes perfect sense when you consider that they were down 3 scores at the time.
The only time I think there's legitimate criticism of a passing play call was Coker's final interception. Down 6 with 3 minutes left and all 3 timeouts wasn't the time to go for a homerun ball. We saw the worst case scenario but at BEST you score and then have to try to keep OM out of field goal range.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:25 pm to Masterag
quote:You and I watched the same damn game. Saban needs to sit back, evaluate his defensive coaching, and demote Bobby Williams to the equipment room.
apparently lots of people weren't watching the same game I was. Cause Kiffin was the only person keeping Bama in the game. The D was a HUGE letdown, and the special teams gave the ball, and the game away. It's up to Kiff to call the plays, and the players to execute them. y'all just like to make excuses for Saban and Smart, who ARE the ones who failed.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:29 pm to BrerTiger
quote:Lord, I though Wimp was dead by now.
Wimp Sanderson
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:36 pm to JustGetItRight
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Bama indeed threw the ball 59 times but if you go back and review the play-by-play, you'll discover that 26 of those passes came in the 4th quarter plus the last 4 minutes of the 3rd - which was the start of the Alabama possession after Ole Miss went up 30-10.
Excellent point. Definitely a time when you have to throw with your back against the wall. And I thought Coker acquitted himself quite well with both his feet and his arm.
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The only time I think there's legitimate criticism of a passing play call was Coker's final interception.
I disagree as I stated in the OP. I think the first INT when the score was 3-3 was a bad call. Not because I don't think you should ever launch a deep ball. Rather, I don't think Bama needed to take that risk at that point in the game, especially with a developing QB in his first start like Bateman. Bama had settled down quite well since the initial special teams error. I know others will argue that you play to win but Bama has more than enough tools and talent that they don't need to launch a deep ball in a low scoring affair (to that point) to regain the advantage. That INT changed the game quite a bit and Bama ended up in a big hole that they spent the rest of the game clawing out of and yet still had a decent shot to win it with just under 3 minutes to go.
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. Down 6 with 3 minutes left and all 3 timeouts wasn't the time to go for a homerun ball. We saw the worst case scenario but at BEST you score and then have to try to keep OM out of field goal range.
100% agree.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:37 pm to RT1941
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You and I watched the same damn game. Saban needs to sit back, evaluate his defensive coaching, and demote Bobby Williams to the equipment room.
I was watching that game too.
Also worth noting in evaluating the Bama offense thus far is both starting wide receivers, the starting slot receiver, the starting running back, and the starting fullback from last season are sitting on 53-man NFL rosters right now and three are starters. Oh, in case you missed it Bama's breaking in a new QB too and all the offense has done in the first three games is average 512 yards and 36 points a game with two of the three being against ranked opponents.
Except for interceptions, which aren't the fault of the OC, there's not a damned thing wrong with the Alabama offense right now.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:38 pm to JustGetItRight
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Except for interceptions, which aren't the fault of the OC
Okay.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:42 pm to BrerTiger
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I disagree as I stated in the OP. I think the first INT when the score was 3-3 was a bad call. Not because I don't think you should ever launch a deep ball. Rather, I don't think Bama needed to take that risk at that point in the game, especially with a developing QB in his first start like Bateman.
I understand your point but I think it has the benefit of hindsight. That TD wasn't the backbreaker. The ensuing kickoff was the one where Dillon Lee (Bama LB) had his great forced fumble on Kenyon Drake and let OM go up 17-3. IMO, it was the TD after the KO fumble that changed the game.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 1:44 pm to BrerTiger
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Okay.
Only in the sense that he called a pass. If you throw to the wrong spot, fail to read the defense, stare down your WR, or a WR runs the wrong route how is it the OC's fault?
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