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re: Did Alabama Deserve to Make the Playoff? (Post playoff/bowl analysis)
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:45 pm to Sentrius
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:45 pm to Sentrius
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I appreciate you talking football and examining the body of work instead of flinging shite like so many posters have in this thread. I respect the points you're making, it's food for thought
Thanks.
The SEC Rant has become the worst board on this site because the collective response is along the lines of "butthurt/melt/troll" anytime anyone feels the least bit threatened. People do not think before they post - they just react. It is unbecoming.
But, there is no other place to have a discussion about the SEC here.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:47 pm to hiltacular
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Couldn't this all be avoided by completely getting rid of weekly rankings and expanding the playoffs to 8 with 5 auto-bids and 1 final ranking to choose teams 6-8?
We need to have 6 teams. No more. 5 conference champs and one at large team. The #1 and #2 seeds get a bye for the first week. Do it like the NFL playoffs and make it over 3 weeks. That will solve it all.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:48 pm to AlaTiger
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The SEC Rant has become the worst board on this site because the collective response is along the lines of "butthurt/melt/troll" anytime anyone feels the least bit threatened. People do not think before they post - they just react. It is unbecoming.
But, there is no other place to have a discussion about the SEC here.
The MSB would be a better place to have this discussion instead of this shithole due to pragmatic posters being in abundance.
#MSB4Lyfe
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:52 pm to AlaTiger
You just keep this shite going and going. Have you not seen the overwhelming majority of real responses to your question? They answer you in the affirmative. How much more do you need?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:53 pm to AlaTiger
Well you don't help generate real discussion by insulting everyone as you go along regardless of what they say.
But Baylor lost to MSU who got beat at home by OSU by more than a touchdown. So there is one loosely jointed argument in this murky line of though.
But Baylor lost to MSU who got beat at home by OSU by more than a touchdown. So there is one loosely jointed argument in this murky line of though.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:53 pm to AlaTiger
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We need to have 6 teams. No more. 5 conference champs and one at large team. The #1 and #2 seeds get a bye for the first week. Do it like the NFL playoffs and make it over 3 weeks. That will solve it all.
Agreed. The way college football does it now is just really dumb.
Imagine if the NFL was decided based on the weekly power rankings that cbs etc put out...
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:54 pm to AlaTiger
regardless of the game, Alabama was significantly more deserving of a playoff spot than Ohio St. As an LSU fan, you should understand the distinction.
I always felt that Oregon was deserving of the one seed substantially more than Alabama. Oregon lost one game they had the opportunity to revenge, they showed pretty emphatically they were a much better team than Arizona.
Alabama probably would have done the same against a depleted Ole Miss, but they didn't. Ole Miss vs Arizona would have been a nice game to see.
I love the irony of Alabama being hurt by an external gift, if they had been ranked #2 like I believe they deserved, they would have had a much easier game against FSU.
I always felt that Oregon was deserving of the one seed substantially more than Alabama. Oregon lost one game they had the opportunity to revenge, they showed pretty emphatically they were a much better team than Arizona.
Alabama probably would have done the same against a depleted Ole Miss, but they didn't. Ole Miss vs Arizona would have been a nice game to see.
I love the irony of Alabama being hurt by an external gift, if they had been ranked #2 like I believe they deserved, they would have had a much easier game against FSU.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:57 pm to AlaTiger
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We need to have 6 teams. No more. 5 conference champs and one at large team. The #1 and #2 seeds get a bye for the first week. Do it like the NFL playoffs and make it over 3 weeks. That will solve it all.
I actually suggested this exact thing on the MSB yesterday.
Conference champions from power 5 conferences and seeding should be based on strength of schedule and maybe by style points as well. The at leage team should be from one of the power 5 conferences as well as I'm not interested in something like Boise State actually making noise here.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:59 pm to hiltacular
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Imagine if the NFL was decided based on the weekly power rankings that cbs etc put out...
The beautiful thing about the NFL playoff model is that anybody can get hot and peak at the right time and go on a roll and win it all. See the 2012 Ravens, 2011 and 2007 Giants and 2005 Steelers for recent examples.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:01 pm to Sentrius
I'd rather keep it to fewer teams.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:05 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Well you don't help generate real discussion by insulting everyone as you go along regardless of what they say. But Baylor lost to MSU who got beat at home by OSU by more than a touchdown. So there is one loosely jointed argument in this murky line of though.
My "insults" happened after I grew tired of being called an idiot for having a legitimate question. Just because it dealt with Alabama, the Bama fans freaked out and couldn't handle it. Whatever.
Your second point was good, though, and actually gets to what I was talking about here. Yes, it is transitive property, but that is all that is used by the committee between the 1 loss teams, so it matters. Good point about the OSU-MSU-Baylor connection.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:06 pm to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
This guy deserves to be banned. He is a terrible poster who just whines about Bama all the time.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:07 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'd rather keep it to fewer teams.
That approach works in Alabama's favor because you get to benefit from perception and eye tests and tradition and the draw of ratings from the networks (as do other SEC teams and traditional powers). Having more teams eliminates that advantage. But, it does give us a better picture of who the actual "National" champion is.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:10 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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This guy deserves to be banned. He is a terrible poster who just whines about Bama all the time.
Where am I whining about Alabama?
This has nothing to do with Alabama. It has to do with the SEC West completely falling apart in the bowl games - LSU included.
I have not criticized Alabama on this board in almost 2 months. I have banned myself from flaming/trolling Alabama at all. This is about the process of picking who makes it in to the playoff.
And, are you freaking serious? The number of A&M/Arky/Bama/Ole Miss posters that do nothing but flame/troll/whine about LSU is absolutely legion on this board. Why don't you go to Tidefans if you don't want to hear anything other than "Bama is the greatest"?
Your feelings are too easily hurt.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:13 pm to AlaTiger
quote:Actually, having more teams just gives Bama more of a chance to get the benefits you perceive. Don't see your logic here, but that's no surprise.
That approach works in Alabama's favor because you get to benefit from perception and eye tests and tradition and the draw of ratings from the networks (as do other SEC teams and traditional powers). Having more teams eliminates that advantage.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:14 pm to BearBait09
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regardless of the game, Alabama was significantly more deserving of a playoff spot than Ohio St. As an LSU fan, you should understand the distinction.
I get this and I do not disagree - before the playoff. And, just losing to Ohio State does not mean that they didn't deserve to be there. I am talking about what happened to Alabama's schedule and am looking back. Who did they actually beat that was worth anything? That is the same way that we looked at the other teams, so I am pulling away the facade of SEC dominance and am simply asking it of Alabama.
If LSU had been beaten by Ohio State and had Alabama's schedule, the same criticism would have been leveled.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:16 pm to JuiceTerry
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Actually, having more teams just gives Bama more of a chance to get the benefits you perceive. Don't see your logic here, but that's no surprise.
More teams equals more chances for Alabama or any SEC team to lose because they play more games against tougher competition.
Only having 2 teams enables the SEC champ to get in because perception is always with them as being the best. That perception was proven false this past week, but it is still there going into the selection process.
The BCS formula would have put Alabama against Florida State. Alabama would have most likely beaten FSU. So, less teams benefit Alabama or any SEC champ, actually.
Not sure why you can't follow that logic, but, like you, I am not surprised.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:19 pm to AlaTiger
Those Giants team were lame Super Bowl champs. I am sure giants fans will disagree. 4 teams works for me. If you don't go undefeated you can't get too upset. 2004 was what we needed to avoid. I guess 8 would be ok but I wouldn't like it more than what we have now.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:20 pm to AlaTiger
quote:I was talking about getting into the play-off in the first place, which is what the thread is about, right?
More teams equals more chances for Alabama or any SEC team to lose because they play more games against tougher competition.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:21 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
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Those Giants team were lame Super Bowl champs. I am sure giants fans will disagree. 4 teams works for me. If you don't go undefeated you can't get too upset. 2004 was what we needed to avoid. I guess 8 would be ok but I wouldn't like it more than what we have now.
I see what you're saying. I agree that I don't want it to get to be too many teams. I thought you were saying that you would rather have it at just 2 teams.
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