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re: Did Alabama Deserve to Make the Playoff? (Post playoff/bowl analysis)

Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by northalabamacracker
Glasgow
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:40 pm to
Remember when Alabama broke your heart again this year, you said you wetr done with trolling/flaming Bama and calling a truce or some shite?

What the frick happened?


But you will be able to pick apart the first 2 out every year.
Posted by ConnorTide
Knoxville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
261 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:40 pm to
Oregon lost to Arizona at home this season. Ohio State lost to Virginia Tech. Also at home. If you want to talk losses, let's talk losses. Alabama had a single loss to Ole Miss on the road while every starter on Ole Miss was healthy. And their starters are really good. I like how you go into a deep explanation for Alabama but not for those two teams. And I don't think FSU deserved to be in. The committee says it's all about who was the best right now, but FSU is barely squeaking by every unranked opponent on the schedule, but they're letting them in the playoff because they won the NC last year? Give me a damn break. Yes, Alabama deserved to be in. There is seriously a limit to how in depth you can look into wins and losses. "Well Alabama lost to Ole Miss, who lost to TCU, who lost to Baylor, who lost to Michigan State, who got beat by Oregon, who lost to Arizona. Therefore Arizona is better than Alabama." Just stop it. Mississippi State was in the committee's opinion, the #1 team in the country AT THE TIME. Alabama beat them. Auburn put up record setting yards and 44 points. And if you can turn the ball over 3 times and still find a way to win that game, that's impressive against an SEC opponent. LSU isn't a bad team either, and Les Miles' record in Death Valley at night is incredible. It wasn't one big win. It was a season.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

You aren't trolling, you're just dumb.


So, asking who deserves to be in the playoff AFTER the first round of games is dumb?

This discussion will take place EVERY year from now on. Just because the SEC Rant is not used to thinking this way doesn't mean that it is illegitimate.

This is not the BCS anymore and what you are ranked all year is not as important as who you beat and what your strength of schedule is. TCU proved that when they dropped from #3 to #6 in the last week. The committee put who they wanted in, regardless of previous rankings.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 12:42 pm
Posted by CrimsonChin
the gutter.
Member since Feb 2010
5857 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:42 pm to
I would really hate to see a 12 win sec champion not make it. Wouldn't you?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70900 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by LSU1NSEC
Member since Sep 2007
17243 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:44 pm to
an 8-team playoff with Bama ranked 5th - 7th would have been more realistic
Posted by TheTide_205
Member since May 2012
86 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:45 pm to
it just sad now
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Remember when Alabama broke your heart again this year, you said you wetr done with trolling/flaming Bama and calling a truce or some shite? What the frick happened? But you will be able to pick apart the first 2 out every year.


I hear you and I thought about that. Thanks for reminding me. I actually tried to make sure that this did not come off as a troll.

It isn't. I gave that pledge and I have stuck with it and will continue to do so.

This is a serious question about how we see the playoff and teams strength of schedule. Honestly, it only occurred to me because of how sorry the rest of the SEC was. I am not doubting that Bama has a good team. I am talking about how we make these decisions now and was trying to analyze post bowl season.

You can think what you want, but this is more about the process of how we choose the teams now than whether or not I think that Alabama is a good team.

Alabama is a very good team.

LSU completely sucks.

So, I've got that out of the way.

And, I am not trying to troll Alabama. I am trying to have a discussion.
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70900 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:45 pm to
well that's rational
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

So, asking who deserves to be in the playoff AFTER the first round of games is dumb?


Incredibly


Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

CrimsonChin Did Alabama Deserve to Make the Playoff? (Post playoff/bowl analysis) I would really hate to see a 12 win sec champion not make it. Wouldn't you?


Of course I would. The thought of Alabama not being deserving NEVER entered my mind until I thought about the arguments before the bowl season AGAINST TCU and then considered how pitiful the SEC was (including the SEC West) in their bowl games. Just wondering if that would have changed the dynamic.

TCU destroying Ole Miss, the only team to beat Alabama, would have born some consideration if it had happened during the regular season, no?

I know that it is a weird metric. But, my guess is that bowl season will matter more for these types of discussion in the future related to conference strength when it comes to picking the 4 team playoff participants. So, I brought it up.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:48 pm to
'Bama had a bad day against OSU. They were the best team in the best conference. Damn sure deserved to be in.
Posted by tider04
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2007
5606 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:49 pm to
12-1 SEC Champs ranked #1 by every poll in the country. You must be mentally handicapped.
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32652 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:50 pm to
It isn't a Just a weird metric

quote:

TCU destroying Ole Miss, the only team to beat Alabama, would have born some consideration if it had happened during the regular season, no?


This is just so stupid.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 12:52 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:51 pm to
quote:

Incredibly


Have we ever not looked at the participants in the BCS National Championship Game and declared that one team didn't deserve to be there?

No. We always do this.

When Alabama beat LSU in the 2012 game 21-0, the refrain from Bama fans was that LSU sucked. Based on what? Not based on the regular season and who was more deserving of being in the game? LSU was 13-0, SEC champs, and beat Alabama AT Alabama. No, Bama fans declared that LSU sucked because of ONE GAME on 1/9/12. The entire season was assessed as failure.

So, why NOT compare teams AFTER the bowls/playoff and wonder if there were other teams more deserving or who were better than those who got in? We have always done this. Now it is stupid? That makes no sense.
Posted by IAmReality
Member since Oct 2012
12229 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:51 pm to
Alabama was #1 in the AP, #1 int he Coaches, #1 in the playoff rankings, and #1 in most of the computer polls.

They deserved to be there and they deserved to be eliminated in the first game.

Both of which happened.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:53 pm to
So each year, 2 playoff teams will have not deserved to be there because they lost semi-final games? That's essentially what you are saying, and it's dumb as shite and you wouldn't be saying it if it weren't Bama involved.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:53 pm to
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This is just so stupid.


Some analysts are asking if TCU deserves a share of the national title after what they did to Ole Miss. I disagree with that completely, but asking the question AFTER the bowls/playoff about if there was a team that deserved to be there over another when you look at head-to-head competition is not stupid. It is exactly how the committee makes their decisions. I am just stretching out one week further.

Just because you don't like how it looks for Alabama does not make it stupid.
Posted by asphinctersayswhat
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
3360 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:54 pm to
What did TCUs opponents do in their bowl games?

I believe TCU is the only team to win a bowl out of the Big12.
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
Member since Oct 2014
16785 posts
Posted on 1/3/15 at 12:55 pm to
Stupidest shite I've seen in a looooooooong time
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