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Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:49 pm to darkhorse
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:49 pm to darkhorse
So lets dispense with the silly fiction that these are "student" athletes and embrace the reality that schools recruit and pay for the best.
Everybody in college football makes millions except the players. It's time to fix that. And don't pretend that a scholarship to a state school is actually worth much. These guys should be paid and get free classes. If they want to take the classes and get the degree, great. If not, so what?
Everybody in college football makes millions except the players. It's time to fix that. And don't pretend that a scholarship to a state school is actually worth much. These guys should be paid and get free classes. If they want to take the classes and get the degree, great. If not, so what?
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:57 pm to darkhorse
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Auburn being but one.
You need to bold our team.
You should also have a wiring diagram with lines to Milton McGeregor and Bobby Lowder.
Perhaps Auburn took money from headstart programs to pay Cam. That could be why the guys don't know how to read.
Get the conspiracy together. Connect the dots.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:00 pm to panzerfahre
Panzer, a full scholarship and room, board, books and fees is not nothing. It's enough that many many impoverished students with better records and less athleticism are not able to attend.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:02 pm to darkhorse
would you prefer they get left out all together?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:05 pm to darkhorse
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I see where you are coming from. You view it as it being the kid's fault that he has no parental guidance. Then teachers in elementary who do not want to deal with it passes them. That's the kid's fault too. Then because he can run fast, a coach takes him and moves him along finding teachers to pass him for the sake of football.
What a sorry excuse for a human to say that a 6 year old should have known and been a harder worker so that he could have learned.
Shitty parents suck. This is not a sports problem. It's not something the government can fix. I don't think you understand the gravity and complexity of such a problem if you think a few tests and denying a kid a shot at making some money is going to fix it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:10 pm to KaiserSoze99
Years ago, I taught high school for a couple years in the Mississippi Delta. Kaiser is spot on...a massive number of these kids wouldn't become literate because of tests. Most of the severely at risk kids don't think two days in front of them. This is a complex issue that touches multiple areas.
Testing didn't even begin to solve the problem in No Child Left Behind. Creating even more tests is not the answer.
Testing didn't even begin to solve the problem in No Child Left Behind. Creating even more tests is not the answer.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:27 pm to Crimson Legend
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Years ago, I taught high school for a couple years in the Mississippi Delta. Kaiser is spot on...a massive number of these kids wouldn't become literate because of tests. Most of the severely at risk kids don't think two days in front of them. This is a complex issue that touches multiple areas.
Testing didn't even begin to solve the problem in No Child Left Behind. Creating even more tests is not the answer.
You're much more qualified to speak on this subject, with your experience.
Time and time again, kids with parents that actually participate in a child's education, including reading with the child after school, are about 1000% more likely to be academically successful.
You can come up with all these government programs, accountability testing for teachers, and incentive programs all you want, and it will not fix this problem.
At some point, after we throw trillions of tax dollars at the problem, parenting and personal responsibility remain as the last and only solutions.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:29 pm to KaiserSoze99
....but, at least with a "trade school" type program in college athletics, we're not limiting access of those who DO have aptitude for college. It's calling it what we should call it, and at least these kids gain a marketable skill. Worst case scenario, they end up back where they started and go to another trade school.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:31 pm to darkhorse
SO....what is the News value in that ??
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:39 pm to Crimson Legend
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Testing didn't even begin to solve the problem
Nail hit squarely on head! The problem is teaching kids to pass tests instead of teaching them to think. Getting a correct answer is important, but understanding why it is correct is the real key.
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Creating even more tests is not the answer
Tend to agree with this. Desire fosters real learning and if kids have no desire or long term thinking ability then education has not occurred.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:41 pm to KaiserSoze99
In my opinion, it's even more complex than that. Some schools do suffer from lack of adequate funding. Some schools suffer from incompetent administration of adequate funding. Remarkably, the internet didn't solve everything (sarcastic emoticon here) but technology is tangible and easier to administrate, so many districts overload the technology while learning still suffers. That's before you even get to the issue of home life.
I believe education is the single most difficult area to address in society. After all the complexities and challenges, even if we DID have a solid solution it would never be implemented, because you can't measure its success for roughly twelve years...and what politician is willing to implement a solution for which he would never get credit?
I believe education is the single most difficult area to address in society. After all the complexities and challenges, even if we DID have a solid solution it would never be implemented, because you can't measure its success for roughly twelve years...and what politician is willing to implement a solution for which he would never get credit?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:44 pm to darkhorse
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Nothing in that article suggests or states that he or she is against sports or scholarships for that. It simply states there is an issue.
I tend to agree in the but by not balancing the pool there is inherent bias.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:45 pm to Crimson Legend
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and what politician is willing to implement a solution for which he would never get credit?
One of countless reasons why government has no business in education.
And the more centralized education becomes--on a national level--the more problems will increase.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:51 pm to Gusoline
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would you prefer they get left out all together?
I would prefer that we fix the issue. 98% according to the NCAA will never be pro. That means that they will be in society at some point. Do we want them to be productive?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:55 pm to darkhorse
Siap
Posted on 1/8/14 at 4:59 pm to KaiserSoze99
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Shitty parents suck. This is not a sports problem.
Sure it is. They don't qualify for NCAA entry. So instead of fixing the issue, you want to change it to make it EASIER... all in the name of you getting your fix. it's like a drug for us isnt it....
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It's not something the government can fix.
Sure it can. It can hold account itself. As in the teachers, then the schools, and then the universities too. The NCAA can join in and make it happen. But again, It's not what we want. Why? Because people like you value the game and dollar more than a life. It's that plain and simple.
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don't think you understand the gravity and complexity of such a problem if you think a few tests and denying a kid a shot at making some money is going to fix it.
I understand it very well. I'm not the one trying to deny anybody a shot at money. That's people like you.
I want those over them in school to held accountable at an early age. Then those over them held accountable in their pre teens. Then the player and those still over them held accountable during teens. Then the universities held accountable for cheating to win. The players held accountable for going along with it.
I want that 98% that will not have a shot at the pros able to find a decent job and be productive and stop adding to the national debt of this country.
You want to allow that 2% their shot. You want to promote the welfare state.
98% according to the NCAA have no shot.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:00 pm to Tactical Insertion
I read the first page of the thread and this last one. Here's my take on it, the video made it sound like they are basing this off testing and testing is usually based on speed of reading and comprehension of that speed reading. I always tested really poorly on reading portions of standardized testing. My ACT scores on reading was around 14 or 15 with English around the 18 or 19 range but I also had a 35 and 36 on Math and Science. If these kids legitimately can't read, that needs to be addressed but if they are slow readers that is a different thing all together.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:02 pm to Crimson Legend
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Years ago, I taught high school for a couple years in the Mississippi Delta. Kaiser is spot on...a massive number of these kids wouldn't become literate because of tests.
Who said because of tests? I said test them to hold those above them accountable.
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Most of the severely at risk kids don't think two days in front of them. This is a complex issue that touches multiple areas.
True, it does.
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Testing didn't even begin to solve the problem in No Child Left Behind.
Beg to differ! I know it did. I know teachers who had no business teaching that was dismissed. They were collecting a pay check.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:18 pm to Cheese Grits
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I tend to agree in the but by not balancing the pool there is inherent bias.
All that shows is that the SEC schools agreed to let them see
Posted on 1/8/14 at 5:39 pm to darkhorse
All kinds of answers and points of view here with issues as diverse as communism, economic impact, Nerd envy but it all misses the point: it is about integrity. In simpler terms it is about being truthful.
If an institution of higher learning admits a student it is because that person has the necessary skills/knowledge to in a 4-5 year period putting the work needed can be reasonably expected to complete a degree. When these standards are bent to allow an athlete it is a lie.
If an institution of higher learning issues a degree it means it certifies the holder completed the coursework necessary. If tutors take exams and do the coursework it is a lie.
This is the source of the shame. LYING IS FREAKING WRONG. You can make cases how it economically, psychologically or in any other way, it affects positively or negatively the student athletes, other students, communities, whatever… still lying is WRONG, even if as somenone mentioned "everyone benefits".
If I say I am a direct descendant of Jesus it will likely not have ANY negative effect on anyone, but it is STILL WRONG, because it is a lie.
Who cares about the stupid T Shirt fans, frick them, but to those of us that go or have degrees from, Our schools lie people!!! This shite is wrong!!!
If an institution of higher learning admits a student it is because that person has the necessary skills/knowledge to in a 4-5 year period putting the work needed can be reasonably expected to complete a degree. When these standards are bent to allow an athlete it is a lie.
If an institution of higher learning issues a degree it means it certifies the holder completed the coursework necessary. If tutors take exams and do the coursework it is a lie.
This is the source of the shame. LYING IS FREAKING WRONG. You can make cases how it economically, psychologically or in any other way, it affects positively or negatively the student athletes, other students, communities, whatever… still lying is WRONG, even if as somenone mentioned "everyone benefits".
If I say I am a direct descendant of Jesus it will likely not have ANY negative effect on anyone, but it is STILL WRONG, because it is a lie.
Who cares about the stupid T Shirt fans, frick them, but to those of us that go or have degrees from, Our schools lie people!!! This shite is wrong!!!
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