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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:24 am to Crimson Legend
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:24 am to Crimson Legend
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Justify it all you want. Accepting academic disasters into your university because they play sports is sad. All of our programs are guilty of it. At least have the decency to be ashamed of it.
It's like being ashamed of taking a shite. That would mean that I feel some sort of remorse or guilt. I don't. Dumbass athletes with talents and institutions of higher learning have mutually beneficial relationship that wimpy, clumsy, ugly, awkward nerds hate. These nerds hate that they are so fricking smart and worked so hard in the classroom to get accepted to a good school, and these dumb jocks that everybody loves didn't have to work NEARLY as hard to achieve. The same goes for guys who are good at business, or good with people. Nerds hate them because they aren't nerds. The guys with people skills have it "easy."
This envy and jealousy is the root of all communism, but that's another topic.
Nerds forget that athletes BUST THEIR frickKING ASSES OFF to get scholarships. Yeah, it's not in the classroom, but nerds use what they've got, and jocks use what they've got. BOTH take advantage of their talents and gifts. Only NERDS are the envious ones for some reason.
No guilt. No shame. I just wish people would be honest and call it what it really is. Make the degree course football. Only require football courses. You can separate it out and maintain respectability. Don't tarnish the academic standards of the entire university just to keep these kids in a degree program that is a complete joke, that they don't care about, will never use, and brings down the reputation of the kids who actually DO HAVE the ability to complete those degree courses.
Why do we have to make things so damn complicated for the sake of perpetuating a 100-year-old lie?
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:26 am
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:24 am to darkhorse
I take it the players can't read all the signs fans are holding up at games. That's kinda funny.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am to darkhorse
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Some sec schools did not comply. Auburn being but one.
From what I read, it sounded like Auburn told them they would give them the information requested as soon as they could, but they were currently swamped with a backlog of FOIA requests they had to fulfill first.
There were multiple institutions that just flat out told them "We don't keep any records on stuff like that, go pound sand" (paraphrasing, obviously)
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am to roadGator
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Tyler, that's what community colleges and junior colleges are for.
And a lot of athletes are forced to take that route before enrolling the following year. And while an Associates degree is better than a high school diploma, I again ask what does it hurt for that same kid to get a bachelors degree from a better university? Debt free, I might add.
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Not large Flagship universities with millions upon millions on the line for grants and research.
C'mon Road, you don't honestly think that a university is going to be denied a Grant because they take on a few hard cases that play sports? Last I checked, UGA was still paving the way for cancer research while also taking on these students.
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Why should an illiterate person be allowed at UG when they cannot compete with their peers.
Why shouldn't they? If the university wants to spend the money to house, feed, and teach a student then what's the problem? The athlete may not ever outscore Johnny or Suzie on a class exam, but at least they're even getting to hear the same lectures and read the same material. The exposure to that environment and education is worth it.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am to darkhorse
I hated math; truthfully I sucked at it, and I chose a major based on the least amount of math classes.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:27 am to LSU1NSEC
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I take it the players can't read all the signs fans are holding up at games. That's kinda funny.
"If you can read this sign, you're a walk-on."
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:28 am to tylerdurden24
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quote: So, why don't universities just offer a "football" degree course?
They do offer this. It's disguised though. TAMU introduced it my junior year as the "General Studies" degree where you select 3 minors instead of a major.
You basically take the bulk of random majors. Ag communications, poultry science, etc.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:29 am to uabtodd
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From what I read, it sounded like Auburn told them they would give them the information requested as soon as they could, but they were currently swamped with a backlog of FOIA requests they had to fulfill first.
Sounds like a stall tactic. They're letting the study be published first so other schools take more of the public blow. After that, any information they release will seem inconsequential.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:30 am to mtheob17
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I hated math; truthfully I sucked at it, and I chose a major based on the least amount of math classes.
Me too.
But, as I matured as a student and took a logic class, I started to see the value of complex college math. Math is simply a subset of logic. Doing math trains the brain to think logically.
...but I still fricking hate math.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:32 am to KaiserSoze99
I love the "root of all communism" line. That was legendary.
So which economic system do we use to describe the one where we give everyone a degree regardless of their academic performance? Is that the "free market" approach?
So which economic system do we use to describe the one where we give everyone a degree regardless of their academic performance? Is that the "free market" approach?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:32 am to KaiserSoze99
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Nerds forget that athletes BUST THEIR frickKING ASSES OFF to get scholarships.
That's the other thing: It's not like athletes come in and just kick back while the world is catering to them. They wake up at 6 AM, go to workouts, eat, go to a morning tutoring session, go to class, eat again, go to another class, go to a mentoring session, go to another class, go to practice, eat, go to night time tutoring sessions, then go to bed to do it all again tomorrow.
The whole day is rigidly organized and structured and playing time is on the line if they don't adhere to that schedule. It's not the totally comfortable, king-of-the-universe way to spend four-plus years like most seem to imagine it. In fact, it's downright grueling at times (and most of the kids in question find themselves succeeding academically because it's a support system and sturcture that they never had had before).
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:35 am to Greg09Ag
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TAMU introduced it my junior year as the "General Studies" degree where you select 3 minors instead of a major.
All universities have this. At UGA I think it's the "Independent Studies" degree. You might be surprised at how regulated it is (you have to apply for it and show good reason why you should be allowed to pursue the degree; you can't just write it down and skate through it). Hence, you don't see a lot of athletes with it (at least not at UGA, that I can recall).
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:35 am to tylerdurden24
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That's the other thing: It's not like athletes come in and just kick back while the world is catering to them. They wake up at 6 AM, go to workouts, eat, go to a morning tutoring session, go to class, eat again, go to another class, go to a mentoring session, go to another class, go to practice, eat, go to night time tutoring sessions, then go to bed to do it all again tomorrow.
The whole day is rigidly organized and structured and playing time is on the line if they don't adhere to that schedule. It's not the totally comfortable, king-of-the-universe way to spend four-plus years like most seem to imagine it. In fact, it's downright grueling at times (and most of the kids in question find themselves succeeding academically because it's a support system and sturcture that they never had had before).
Exactly, we should be so ashamed
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:38 am to darkhorse
Ah it's not just athletes, I'm a product of a Georgia primary/secondary education and an SEC university and I too am functionally illterate but it hasn't affect my life negatively or anything...it's almost an advantage on the rant.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:42 am to Greg09Ag
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They do offer this. It's disguised though. TAMU introduced it my junior year as the "General Studies" degree where you select 3 minors instead of a major.
You basically take the bulk of random majors. Ag communications, poultry science, etc.
That is a step in the right direction, but it is still not what I am talking about.
A&M has a fire fighter course. It's not really related to the academic side of the university. I am talking about something along those lines. A 4-year football course.
We would need to change NCAA rules, for sure, but that type of education IS VALUABLE to the student, and they are not cheating their asses off to keep up with smart guys line me.
Continuing to label academically weak NFL-bound athletes as bachelor of arts/science degree candidates is a lie. They're not going to college to learn anything academic. They don't earn that degree. How would it be any different if they went to trade school? All the awarding university has done by awarding that degree or by even admitting dumb jocks to their school is to devalue the education they offer.
Stop lying. It's not a bachelor's degree these athletes are seeking, no matter what you do to broaden the degree course's scope. They are not there to earn a degree. They are there to learn football.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:43 am to VVega
The shame is not because of the athlete's efforts. The shame is in destroying the integrity of a college degree by handing it to someone who can't read, all because he makes money for the institution,
At the same time, there are other young people who couldn't get admitted to the same school, but whose HARD WORK in high school wasn't enough to get in, because they didn't play football.
At the same time, there are other young people who couldn't get admitted to the same school, but whose HARD WORK in high school wasn't enough to get in, because they didn't play football.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:44 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:47 am to Crimson Legend
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I love the "root of all communism" line. That was legendary.
So which economic system do we use to describe the one where we give everyone a degree regardless of their academic performance? Is that the "free market" approach?
Ironically, that would also be commie approach.
The free market approach is the one we use. The athletes get the degree because they were valuable to the university. Supply and demand.
I do enjoy talking circles around most people regarding free market capitalism, but I prefer to limit that to the politics board as much as possible.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:47 am to Crimson Legend
The thing about this story that bothers me is how the heck does a person make it through 12 years of school and not be able to read? That just seems impossible.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:49 am to Crimson Legend
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The shame is not because of the athlete's efforts. The shame is in destroying the integrity of a college degree by handing it to someone who can't read, all because he makes money for the institution,
At the same time, there are other young people who couldn't get admitted to the same school, but whose HARD WORK in high school wasn't enough to get in, because they didn't play football.
All of these issues can be resolved it we stop lying about what college football really is. These athletes are learning a trade, not getting a degree. Make football it's own course and cut out all the non-related academic stuff.
This post was edited on 1/8/14 at 11:50 am
Posted on 1/8/14 at 11:49 am to VVega
quote:Yeah, they may not get a lot out of college, but it's not like it's hurting them. Maybe they even learn to read a little. If they're not prepared that's a high school issue, or further back if they're dumb enough.
I hate to be insensitive... but who really cares?
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