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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:40 pm to darkhorse
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:40 pm to darkhorse
That would be just another test to avoid for those who have successfully learned to circumvent the system.
There are no "magic tests."
High stakes testing--for a multitude of methodological reasons--are inherently flawed.
In fact, crazily enough, this isn't about education.
But now I'm starting to feel like I'm defending my dissertation, so I'll shut up.
You really want to fix it? Start from day one. Birth (pre-natally, actually).
But again ... much scotch needed for this chat.
There are no "magic tests."
High stakes testing--for a multitude of methodological reasons--are inherently flawed.
In fact, crazily enough, this isn't about education.
But now I'm starting to feel like I'm defending my dissertation, so I'll shut up.
You really want to fix it? Start from day one. Birth (pre-natally, actually).
But again ... much scotch needed for this chat.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:43 pm to KaiserSoze99
Nothing in that article suggests or states that he or she is against sports or scholarships for that. It simply states there is an issue.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:44 pm to CrimsonCrusade
IMO, very well put, well written. A couple of thoughts...
Considering the requirements for most public universities it might be better said why are so many unable to meet the minimum. Of course it's a failure of society, and of individual families, but it still amazes me kids get a H.S. diploma, and are unable to read nor write appropriately.
This could go down a very ugly road, one we've been down before, but I agree. There is the small % that makes it at the professional level. And it can be rightly said a 20 year old has the freedom to apply himself, and chooses not too. Let's not forget it is a two-way street. But the mentality of the powers that be, millionaire coaches, billion dollar TV contracts, turns the finger pointing spectacle from the NCAA of a kid taking money or a shortcut into a stench of hypocrisy.
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... this story overshadows a larger problem within our society. Not everyone belongs in college..
Considering the requirements for most public universities it might be better said why are so many unable to meet the minimum. Of course it's a failure of society, and of individual families, but it still amazes me kids get a H.S. diploma, and are unable to read nor write appropriately.
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They see them as cattle
This could go down a very ugly road, one we've been down before, but I agree. There is the small % that makes it at the professional level. And it can be rightly said a 20 year old has the freedom to apply himself, and chooses not too. Let's not forget it is a two-way street. But the mentality of the powers that be, millionaire coaches, billion dollar TV contracts, turns the finger pointing spectacle from the NCAA of a kid taking money or a shortcut into a stench of hypocrisy.
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Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:48 pm to darkhorse
SO UGA players are morons? I could have told you that after the Auburn game.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:53 pm to darkhorse
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Why not just fix the issue.
To fix the issue, you need to identify the issue.
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1_. Ncaa announces that random testing in reading will take place. Any teams found to have players not able, team is placed on probation. And those players not eligible to play until retested and they pass.
The problem with that is it will expose a lot of demographic evidence that many do not want exposed. Make no mistake. EVERYBODY wants to lie in this situation. It's just a matter of whose lies we all believe.
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2- any high school that graduates a player that fails that test losses money for sports.
Everybody in the school loses their jobs. They failed. They have no business teaching. This is where the problem starts.
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3- high schools test players starting in 7th grade on reading.
They already do.
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If you want to fix it... it can be fixed. We dont care though. So long as we get our football fix.
Back to my original thought. What is the issue? Who are these kids who can't read?
It's not a university issue if football education is detached from the university. It falls squarely on the parties who are to blame. Elementary and High Schools.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 1:57 pm to EKG
No... there is away. Its being proven in schools now. When they started testing kids and holding teachers accountable.... where school funding depends on it.
So it can be done. What I laid out has several safety nets.
1- testing in school systems... their funding depends on it...
2- next is testing upon entering college. He fails, no entry and the hs gets hit.
3- ncaa random testing yearly... you get caught. You sit until you can pass and remain on scholarship. The college is placed on probation, the hs loses money.
The test can not be avoided if being tested from outside. Every player has a photo and a finger print. Only that person could take that test.
So it can be done. What I laid out has several safety nets.
1- testing in school systems... their funding depends on it...
2- next is testing upon entering college. He fails, no entry and the hs gets hit.
3- ncaa random testing yearly... you get caught. You sit until you can pass and remain on scholarship. The college is placed on probation, the hs loses money.
The test can not be avoided if being tested from outside. Every player has a photo and a finger print. Only that person could take that test.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:05 pm to KaiserSoze99
You are going by your thought of it should be separated. I am not and do not believe that it should be. Less than 2% have a shot at the nfl or pro career.
Your first point is the problem. We dont want to expose it. That is the bottom line.
1- the fans dont care... just give me my fix.
2- the university doesnt want to fix it. .. its money.
3- same for high schools.
In the mean time, what we are teaching kids is that they can lie, cheat, steal, rape, do drugs, break laws and somebody somewhere will fix it!
Your first point is the problem. We dont want to expose it. That is the bottom line.
1- the fans dont care... just give me my fix.
2- the university doesnt want to fix it. .. its money.
3- same for high schools.
In the mean time, what we are teaching kids is that they can lie, cheat, steal, rape, do drugs, break laws and somebody somewhere will fix it!
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:12 pm to darkhorse
We already do all of that.
They do it here in Texas. Our kids do the TAKS test. Why is it not done everywhere? It seems like that has been the general practice all across America for the last 30 years.
That's what the SAT and ACT are supposed to cover.
The NCAA makes money off of these athletes. No way in hell they do that.
Then I can only conclude that the SAT and ACT tests have failed to accurately identify one's academic aptitude.
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1- testing in school systems... their funding depends on it...
They do it here in Texas. Our kids do the TAKS test. Why is it not done everywhere? It seems like that has been the general practice all across America for the last 30 years.
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2- next is testing upon entering college. He fails, no entry and the hs gets hit.
That's what the SAT and ACT are supposed to cover.
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3- ncaa random testing yearly... you get caught. You sit until you can pass and remain on scholarship. The college is placed on probation, the hs loses money.
The NCAA makes money off of these athletes. No way in hell they do that.
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The test can not be avoided if being tested from outside. Every player has a photo and a finger print. Only that person could take that test.
Then I can only conclude that the SAT and ACT tests have failed to accurately identify one's academic aptitude.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:13 pm to darkhorse
What is the real issue?
Can't solve the problem until we identify the real issue.
Can't solve the problem until we identify the real issue.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:17 pm to KaiserSoze99
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What is the real issue?
Poor parenting/family lives.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:22 pm to KaiserSoze99
We cant catch them receiving money when they park Escalades in front of the dorm, but we're going to successfully administer literacy tests. 
I give it five minutes before someone compares it to Jim Crow and disenfranchisement.
I give it five minutes before someone compares it to Jim Crow and disenfranchisement.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:30 pm to Crimson Legend
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I give it five minutes before someone compares it to Jim Crow and disenfranchisement.
You really are the smartest Alabama fan I have ever interacted with.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:34 pm to darkhorse
this info is shocking! 
I mean if you cant listen to these morons 90% of the time and tell they have no business in college not a lot can be done for you. definitely didnt take a college grad to figure this shite out.
I mean if you cant listen to these morons 90% of the time and tell they have no business in college not a lot can be done for you. definitely didnt take a college grad to figure this shite out. Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:38 pm to KaiserSoze99
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We already do all of that.
No we don't.
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1- testing in school systems... their funding depends on it...
They do it here in Texas. Our kids do the TAKS test. Why is it not done everywhere? It seems like that has been the general practice all across America for the last 30 years.
TAKS was introduced in 2007? It's no longer in place. STAAR is now in place.
However, I am speaking DIRECTLY to SPORTS only. That's not being done at all.
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2- next is testing upon entering college. He fails, no entry and the hs gets hit.
That's what the SAT and ACT are supposed to cover.
Yep! Now let's deal with JUST sports. No more circumventing the system.
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3- ncaa random testing yearly... you get caught. You sit until you can pass and remain on scholarship. The college is placed on probation, the hs loses money.
The NCAA makes money off of these athletes. No way in hell they do that.
Because people allow it! Because you need your football fix. And when it comes down to it, you love the "table talk" when a kid shows up later in trouble because he breaking and entering trying to make a score for drugs. But he had his chance right?
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The test can not be avoided if being tested from outside. Every player has a photo and a finger print. Only that person could take that test.
Then I can only conclude that the SAT and ACT tests have failed to accurately identify one's academic aptitude.
Again... sports only. It's the issue.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:39 pm to AUTiger45
the way to fix this and the pay for play issue is so simple a cave man could figure it out. out of hs you let these kids play football where they want to play, pay them all a standard salary and let them earn credits like the GI bill. no school involved until they are done with their sport. after they have completed their football eligibility they are allowed to take their earned credits and go to school anywhere they choose where regular academic standards will apply.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:51 pm to tylerdurden24
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Taking in poorly educated athletes and building them up does not realistically hurt the university.
Do they really "build them up?"
What's the literacy level at 4 years versus entrance?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:52 pm to darkhorse
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TAKS was introduced in 2007? It's no longer in place. STAAR is now in place.
and back in the early 80's I too the CAT test. This has been going on for a long time.
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Again... sports only. It's the issue.
You don't have to read or write or do arithmetic to play sports. You don't need the "three Rs" to dig ditches or scrub toilets. Some people are simply not smart--for whatever reason.
Why do we even give a frick about academics if this is simply about sports?
Posted on 1/8/14 at 2:53 pm to the808bass
lol ... suddenly everyone's up in arms after realizing there's a lot of hypocrisy in college sports ...
who woulda thunk it ...
who woulda thunk it ...
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:04 pm to KaiserSoze99
kaiser
On a serious note - you can test basic literacy, but testing critical thinking is not so straightforward. I'm not a fan of testing solutions.
The issue of illiteracy is not the fault of higher education. It is their fault that they profit by it and turn their heads to it. That is the problem.
I have no passionate interest in ensuring that illiterate athletes are helped to learn because they are athletes. This problem needs to be solved earlier, and is much more complicated.
On a serious note - you can test basic literacy, but testing critical thinking is not so straightforward. I'm not a fan of testing solutions.
The issue of illiteracy is not the fault of higher education. It is their fault that they profit by it and turn their heads to it. That is the problem.
I have no passionate interest in ensuring that illiterate athletes are helped to learn because they are athletes. This problem needs to be solved earlier, and is much more complicated.
Posted on 1/8/14 at 3:08 pm to KaiserSoze99
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TAKS was introduced in 2007? It's no longer in place. STAAR is now in place.
and back in the early 80's I too the CAT test. This has been going on for a long time.
Again you are missing the point. A designed system for sports. That's the point.
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Again... sports only. It's the issue.
You don't have to read or write or do arithmetic to play sports. You don't need the "three Rs" to dig ditches or scrub toilets. Some people are simply not smart--for whatever reason.
I see where you are coming from. You view it as it being the kid's fault that he has no parental guidance. Then teachers in elementary who do not want to deal with it passes them. That's the kid's fault too. Then because he can run fast, a coach takes him and moves him along finding teachers to pass him for the sake of football.
What a sorry excuse for a human to say that a 6 year old should have known and been a harder worker so that he could have learned.
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Why do we even give a frick about academics if this is simply about sports?
Because it's not about sports. You want to make it just about sports, because they only can dig ditches anyway! So what's the point.
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