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re: Can someone tell me why the SEC wants OU?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:50 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:50 pm to cardboardboxer
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:51 pm to CharlotteSooner
you dust eaters were led around by texas by your nose and fricked your lifelong conference mates from the big 8. You wallflowers are meeting up with karma now.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:52 pm to kilo
No not really. But I'll make a note of your doom prophecy.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:52 pm to texashorn
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It might have been a bad system but while leaving, you were lying through your teeth when you blamed everyone but yourself for it happening
No, we blamed Texas for increasing the scope of the Longhorn Network way past what we agreed to. We also blamed Texas for almost destroying the Big 12 via the backroom dealing with the PAC that Texas decided to do on our behalf (again without asking us).
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If one of your administrators would've said that they regretted voting for it, but wanted to change it now, it would've been much more palatable.
Oh is that all it will take? Then look at this direct quote from our president:
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“We went through a very difficult moment with the Big 12 in June 2010. The Big 12 survived less two teams. Since that time the 10 presidents involved have tried very hard to find a way to make certain that the Big 12 is a strong and stable conference. A key thing that has happened in the last few months was negotiating with Fox Sports for a new contract covering our second-tier rights. We believe we had a very successful negotiation … and this past June when we met as board of directors in Kansas City, the board resolved that we would share the revenues from that TV contract equally among all members, which had not been the case before.”
“We left that meeting feeling very good about ourselves … that we’d had a major step forward to achieve stability in the conference, and to really move forward solidly into the future, with a more unified view of where we were going than before. That was how we left last month’s meeting in Kansas City. Having said that, the announcement by ESPN that the Longhorn Network might carry a conference (football) game in addition to a nonconference game was troubling – key word troubling to us – and then following right after was ESPN’s announcement regarding high school games would be televised as well.”
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Backs up exactly what I am saying.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:53 pm to CharlotteSooner
the big 12 is the worst p5 conference and is the most unstable, has the worst tv contracts of the p5.
tell me more how everything is ok Baghdad boomer.
tell me more how everything is ok Baghdad boomer.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:56 pm to cardboardboxer
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The Texas AD basically told the Big 12 to deal with it
That's not what happened. At all. There were several meetings with DeLoss Dodds, hat in hand, with other conference members.
The truth of the matter is, you destroyed your relationship with Texas over something that really didn't matter anyway and something that ended up being worked out (but you left, anyway).
Was it worth five or 10 million dollars to never play Texas again? Don't get me wrong, I'm ecstatic that I will never again see the fake soldiers in Texas Memorial Stadium making asses of themselves over "tu."
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:58 pm to texashorn
4 schools left because of texas tomfoolery.
Mizzou A&M Nebraska and Colorado. 1/4 of the conference left. That didnt happen because of a misunderstanding that could be worked out.
you fricking dumbass
Mizzou A&M Nebraska and Colorado. 1/4 of the conference left. That didnt happen because of a misunderstanding that could be worked out.
you fricking dumbass
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:01 pm to cardboardboxer
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No, we blamed Texas for increasing the scope of the Longhorn Network way past what we agreed to
Never happened. Didn't happen.
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We also blamed Texas for almost destroying the Big 12 via the backroom dealing with the PAC that Texas decided to do on our behalf (again without asking us).
Uhh, that "backroom dealing" was trying to cover their arse in response to Nebraska and Missouri leaving everyone in a lurch. Everyone thought they'd killed the Big 12 off by doing so.
Instead, they held together and got more money out of it.
And it's childish and simplistic to think that the Texas administrators could've forced the A&M Board of Regents to move to the Pac. Surely you realize those things aren't done by snapping fingers.
P.S. -- Your quote doesn't in any form or fashion indicate that A&M felt they wanted to change something they helped to create.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:05 pm to kilo
You Missouri fans sure are a wonder. You flat-out got turned down by the Big 10 and then started covering your arse.
YOU were the ones who started all of this.
YOU were the ones who started all of this.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:07 pm to kilo
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the big 12 is the worst p5 conference
The BIG 12 finished last season with 3 double digit win teams, B1G had 4, PAC had 3. The SEC finished with 1, dead last of all P5 conferences. Go sell crazy some place else.
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and is the most unstable, has the worst tv contracts of the p5.
You have a TV contract with a rapidly dying network. ESPN is not going to be okay. I think we're fine.
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tell me more how everything is ok Baghdad boomer.
See above.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:09 pm to texashorn
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That's not what happened. At all. There were several meetings with DeLoss Dodds, hat in hand, with other conference members.
Yeah as I said after yall already signed the deal yall were happy to make concessions all over the place to not look like monsters. But old Dodds never made the only concession that would have been fair- tearing up that LHN contract and negotiating a new one that took into account the parameters the conference agreed to for it.
Dodds went with the "its better to ask for forgiveness than permission" philosophy, but we didn't have to take his fricking apology and token concessions because we had a SEC invite thanks to Texas fricking around with the PAC.
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The truth of the matter is, you destroyed your relationship with Texas over something that really didn't matter anyway
Good on you to admit that the Longhorn Network doesn't matter, but that is only a view that hindsight supports. At the time it was one of the biggest media deals any program had ever seen, and it wiped its arse with the agreed upon parameters the Big 12 initially agreed to for it.
YALL have to deal with the fallout from that mistake, not us. YALL destroyed the relationship when you decided to sign a contract above and beyond what we agreed to, or when you decided to negotiate with the PAC on our behalf without telling us. We didn't start any of that shite, and frankly we still offered to play after we left the Big 12. YALL told us to frick off. The end of the relationship is due to the actions of Texas.
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and something that ended up being worked out (but you left, anyway).
Oh great, so the battered women left in the Big 12 signed off on yall's network for some extra money so everything is ok right? Every program that could leave left for a reason. OU fans are bitching today for a reason.
The only thing that "worked out" in the long run is the public backlash y'all created when you signed that LHN deal gave us the political cover to leave the Big 12 and leave the Big 12 children to be Texas's sole responsibility going forward. Otherwise that network hasn't done anything good for anyone, Texas and ESPN included.
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Was it worth five or 10 million dollars to never play Texas again?
Actually its more like $100+ million when you add up a decade of those 10 million a year increases together, but you are asking the wrong question.
The right question is:
"Was it worth it for Texas to completely frick up their conference and marginalize their brand for a network that brings in less than 10% of the overall AD revenue?"
My guess is no. In fact I think its such an obvious no that the entire situation regarding the LHN will be in future business textbooks of how to NOT handle a situation.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:09 pm to texashorn
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YOU were the ones who started all of this.
Every university with the wherewithal to get away from texas did so.
Texas fans have always been delusional. Deloss Dodds statement on That Texas' bad years in football are greater than Mizzous good years really exemplifies you twats well.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:10 pm to kilo
Wrong. Mizzou the welfare case was hiking up their skirt and showing the BIG 10 some leg long before any of that ever took place like the cheap welfare sluts you are.
Mizzou just took advantage of the situation to go mooch off of another conference for more money after the BIG 10 didn't return their "glances" and the SEC stepped in to take the 2am beer goggle slut home with them.
Mizzou just took advantage of the situation to go mooch off of another conference for more money after the BIG 10 didn't return their "glances" and the SEC stepped in to take the 2am beer goggle slut home with them.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:14 pm to CharlotteSooner
Mizzou, Colorado, Nebraska and Texas A&M left and every one of them pointed the finger at texas and OU.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:17 pm to texashorn
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to never play Texas again?
Aside from some older people, nobody cares.
Current students are way more excited for opponents like LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Tenn etc than they would be with Texas.
I don't think current students even have any hate for Texas. You're just another Texas university same as Baylor, TCU, Tech, etc
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:18 pm to kilo
Colorado was flirting with the PAC and Mizzou was flirting with the B1G looong before any of the texas frickery took place. Colorado got uppity and decided they had more in common with the PAC culturally and Mizzou was whoring themselves to anybody that would give them a bigger check. It was Colorado AND Mizzou that destabilized the conference.......for money. I remember it well.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:19 pm to CharlotteSooner
Why do we allow Charlotte Sooner and her alters to constantly frick up threads?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:21 pm to cardboardboxer
You didn't expect ESPN to back a single-school network or for the payout to be $300 million. Those are the only two things that caught you flat-footed. The rest of your complaints that followed were just noise.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:24 pm to CharlotteSooner
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Colorado was flirting with the PAC and Mizzou was flirting with the B1G looong before any of the texas frickery took place. Colorado got uppity and decided they had more in common with the PAC culturally and Mizzou was whoring themselves to anybody that would give them a bigger check. It was Colorado AND Mizzou that destabilized the conference.......for money. I remember it well.
If you don't mind a correction, Colorado was scared that Baylor was going to get their spot in the PAC. They jumped the gun, thinking that Texas and Oklahoma would follow.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:25 pm to texashorn
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Never happened. Didn't happen.
frick you, it did happen.
We agreed to ONE fricking OOC game on the team networks. ONE! Then Texas signed a contract that promised it would push for THREE games AND the high school championship game.
Here is a source from that time if you don't beleive me:
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Byrne said he was happy to deal with the Longhorn Network if it carried only one football game, but that changed once the channel added more and wanted to air high school games.
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Boom.
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Uhh, that "backroom dealing" was trying to cover their arse in response to Nebraska and Missouri leaving everyone in a lurch. Everyone thought they'd killed the Big 12 off by doing so.
Nebraska left because yall refused to pool Tier 3 rights once you saw that the Longhorn Network could be a huge money maker. They saw the writing on the wall.
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And it's childish and simplistic to think that the Texas administrators could've forced the A&M Board of Regents to move to the Pac. Surely you realize those things aren't done by snapping fingers.
No, what is childish was the Texas AD negotiating for us (and half the damn conference) without even telling us what they were doing. And you are right that Texas couldn't force us to the PAC, but Dodds sure as frick threatened us to use whatever power he could to force our hand:
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"They seemed stunned and dismayed by our desire to consider other options," Loftin penned. "(Regent) Wilson observed DeLoss Dodds shaking a finger toward Bill Byrne, cursing at him and threatening to never play the Aggies again if we dared to go against the grain.
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The way Dodds behaved sounds pretty childish to me.
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P.S. -- Your quote doesn't in any form or fashion indicate that A&M felt they wanted to change something they helped to create.
Well I have plenty of them. Here is another:
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"What's happening clearly is we're moving in a steady pace toward a more equal sharing revenue model, which is a good thing for the long-term stability in the conference," Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin told the Dallas Morning News. "Over time, that will be a good thing. Those conferences that have equal revenue sharing just seem to be happier, as far as I can tell."
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He was obviously a big fan of even revenue sharing. But just in case another source:
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“A key to stability, Texas A&M thought, was equal sharing of revenues. Equal benefits to all the institutions in the conference. And when it may appear that one or more of us are receiving different benefits than the others, I believe that takes us in the wrong direction. That’s why we’ve been very concerned about this.”
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I can do this all day, we very clearly were pushing for equal revenue before we left.
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