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re: Can someone tell me why the SEC wants OU?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 11:58 am to kilo
Posted on 5/12/17 at 11:58 am to kilo
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NC State
Awful choice
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VA tech
I believe there is a history of discussions as well with those guys.
Again, the ACC is doing well...
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There are plenty of schools that would be willing to listen to an SEC offer.
The ones who would seriously entertain it are the ones we wouldn't want
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:24 pm to kilo
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You are still dodging the fact you are a hypocrite for calling an argument disingenuous based on fandom. There have been some very valid arguments made by Missouri and Aggie posters.
It does seem like people that don't want OU consider them a threat. It does seem like more Aggie's and Mizzou Tigers are against it.
Adding OU would be good for business in the long run. Adding OU and OSU probably would not be.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:24 pm to kilo
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OU is as complicit as Texas for the state of the Big 12. You deserve to sway in the breeze honestly.
You know very little about your leadership and their relationship with OU. In fact OU was the only school that cared to try and convince MU to stay and Boren flew to Columbia in person.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:27 pm to Boomer00
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You know very little about your leadership and their relationship with OU. In fact OU was the only school that cared to try and convince MU to stay and Boren flew to Columbia in person.
Weren't the Aggies taking a bigger slice of the pie than most schools when the left the Big 12. I thought they were one of the oppressors.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:27 pm to Old Sarge
OU strikes FEAR into the hearts of aggies and Mizzou. Considering MU only beat Oklahoma 1 time in the history of the big 12 and OU gets its large share of Texas talent being in the LOWLY big 12 no doubt the aggies are scared to compete on the recruiting trail against an SEC injected OU. To their dismay however they know it's likely OU lands in the sec eventually and the leadership at A&M and MU both will vote in favor of OU joining. That being said A&M should worry about LSU poaching Houston talent and not Oklahoma getting the recruits out of Texas that they always have.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:30 pm to JesusQuintana
Do Not Want.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:31 pm to Boomer00
i said I would support OU coming to the SEC. You seem very insecure.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:32 pm to arwicklu
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Weren't the Aggies taking a bigger slice of the pie than most schools when the left the Big 12. I thought they were one of the oppressors.
Yes and no. The voted for unequal revenue sharing (with revenue shared based on number of TV appearances) but started bitching (with Nebraska) when it didn't work for them (because they blew).
They also voted to allow conference members to form single-school networks to monetize third-tier TV rights. All was fine until the Longhorn Network. They were for it before they were against it.
Third, when they were convinced to stay in the Big 12 the first time around, they demanded several million dollars worth of payouts above other Big 12 members.
So when you hear them lecture about "equal revenue," they are blowing smoke up your arse.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:35 pm to texashorn
Texas Longhorns were the key reason two conferences failed.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:36 pm to kilo
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i said I would support OU coming to the SEC. You seem very insecure.
That post was mainly directed at A&M. MU and OU would have the same relationship they Have always had.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:36 pm to 14&Counting
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Nothing personal, but I find the arguments against adding OU by Aggies and Mizzou fans to be disingenuous.
Address my argument then and not my fandom.
Frankly OU to the SEC can go either way in my opinion when it comes to helping A&M. As long as Texas isn't the 16th team and Texas breaks off the game with OU to punish them for killing the Big 12 then it could work out very well for us. The concept that I am arguing from a position of fear is very short sighted.
What I see is a SEC that is already having problems digesting the last expansion, and a college football market that might favor smaller conferences working together for media rights vs super conferences.
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I agree with you that it will take a another schedule re-alignment to accommodate them....but the rotation is already jacked-up. Mizzou is already on an island and it would help them integrate into the conference. Auburn is on the record about wanting to be in the East. Bama may to have to follow them but we have more connections to the East than we do to the West.
I don't see how OU makes it better.
First of all Bama or Auburn could have easily gone to the East last time and stuck Mizzou in the west. That didn't happen because it would mess up rivalries.
If the SEC adds OU then it pretty much NEEDS another team, and the ACC looks solid and no one else in the Big 12 who is willing to come can be the obvious 16th team with OU (unless you want Kansas). You are right A&M and Mizzou administrators might vote OU in, but there is no fricking way we are voting Texas in. Without a 16th team the whole thing becomes undoable.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:37 pm to kilo
The Big 12 still exists and makes more money than ever.
Now tell me how Texas ruined the Southwest Conference. You can't because you don't know what you're talking about, you're just a parrot.
Now tell me how Texas ruined the Southwest Conference. You can't because you don't know what you're talking about, you're just a parrot.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:41 pm to texashorn
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Yes and no. The voted for unequal revenue sharing (with revenue shared based on number of TV appearances) but started bitching (with Nebraska) when it didn't work for them (because they blew).
It was a bad system and the Big 12 ended up dropping that distribution method after we checked out because it was a bad system.
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They also voted to allow conference members to form single-school networks to monetize third-tier TV rights. All was fine until the Longhorn Network. They were for it before they were against it.
We were for what we agreed to- a tier three network for a single OOC game. But then you sneaky fricks over in Austin signed a contract with ESPN for MANY games a year (including conference games!) plus putting high school championships on the channel without asking anyone else in the Big 12 if that was ok.
Luckily the NCAA shut down the high school game crap, but only us and Mizzou had the balls (and the leverage) to push back on yall expanding the scope of tier three networks without asking.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:42 pm to texashorn
The Big 12 is doomed because of Texas. We in the Big 8 were suckers for saving your asses from the doomed SWC in the first place.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:42 pm to texashorn
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Yes and no. The voted for unequal revenue sharing (with revenue shared based on number of TV appearances) but started bitching (with Nebraska) when it didn't work for them (because they blew).
They also voted to allow conference members to form single-school networks to monetize third-tier TV rights. All was fine until the Longhorn Network. They were for it before they were against it.
Third, when they were convinced to stay in the Big 12 the first time around, they demanded several million dollars worth of payouts above other Big 12 members
This really is what happened. Obviously it can be massaged from one side differently than the other. I don't agree with his OU and Texas have done things whether I'm right or wrong. The Aggies were doing the same things though.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:46 pm to cardboardboxer
It might have been a bad system but while leaving, you were lying through your teeth when you blamed everyone but yourself for it happening. If one of your administrators would've said that they regretted voting for it, but wanted to change it now, it would've been much more palatable. But instead, they blamed it all on Texas.
Now, you might be surprised at my saying this, but I think DeLoss Dodds regrets giving ESPN that much control. He was in the middle of ESPN's demands and trying to stay friends with conference members, and it did not work out well.
Now, you might be surprised at my saying this, but I think DeLoss Dodds regrets giving ESPN that much control. He was in the middle of ESPN's demands and trying to stay friends with conference members, and it did not work out well.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:47 pm to 14&Counting
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OU is an attractive brand with huge following
Bull. OU is widely regarded as being a lying-cheating Barry Switzer outlaw program. No one likes them or thinks they are an "attractive brand." Most certainly they do NOT have a "huge following." Tennessee vs Georgia would easily draw more viewers than Oklahoma vs Arkansas, or LSU, or Mississippi.
Oklahoma is not a team anyone gives a shite about or wants to watch. Okie fans are some of the most self-center-of-the-world people in the US. They belong with Texas, not decent people. The only thing worse than hearing Rocky Top 5,000 times in the course of 4 hours is hearing Boomer Sooner 10,000 times in the course of one broadcast. I vote no no no no...
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:47 pm to arwicklu
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The Aggies were doing the same things though.
No fricking way we were doing the same thing.
Our president pushed for equal revenue sharing of tier 1 and tier 2 revenues, but Texas and OU didn't want that at first. So then we made sure we weren't going to get fricked in an unequal revenue situation.
Then Texas (and only Texas) went behind the Big 12's back and signed a contract with ESPN for the LHN that included WAY more content than the Big 12 had mutually agreed that program networks could have. The Texas AD basically told the Big 12 to deal with it, and we told them to frick off we are going to the SEC. The FOIA request that revealed the LHN contract was THE thing that pushed us out of the Big 12.
Then after Texas was assured to make more money via the LHN than any other Big 12 program they turned around and starting pushing OUR idea for equal Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue sharing to not look like such monsters. But make no mistake- the blood is on their hands and not ours.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:48 pm to texashorn
The texas strong armed voting block killed the Big 12. You are fooling no one by waving your hands in the air.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:49 pm to texashorn
Nebraska was red-assed with Texas joining the BIG XII in the first place before anything went down regarding networks. Osborne hated the thought of TX in the BIG XII from the very beginning and he was ready to leave the minute they joined.
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