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re: Can someone tell me why the SEC wants OU?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:57 pm to texashorn
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:57 pm to texashorn
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You were for it before you were against it. You tried to look like an innocent party who was taken advantage of. All of that is a lie. You were complicit.
No, it was the other way around. We were for equal revenue sharing but then when it was obvious it wouldn't happen we decided to not get stuck at the little kid's table.
But good luck proving your point of view with the sources like I have proven mine.
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Your memory is very poor.
No your understanding of this period is poor. That vote that the Big 12 took happened AFTER Mizzou had decided on their plans to leave. Basically once everyone who had leverage left then Texas got its way.
Might doesn't make it right. The rest of the Big 12 either had to agree to those terms or get stuck in a mid major conference.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:58 pm to texashorn
The LHN was very much in play when Nebraska left.
They accepted the JR membership we didn't want.
It destroyed the conference. The conference revenue model was all about conference networks at that point and the LHN made a Big 12 network a non starter.
Had the league pooled its tier 3 rights like the other leagues it would still be around in peak form. Not the mush mash nonsensical pairing of lost souls it is now. Colorado probably still would have left, but one team would have been easily replaceable. Even with an attractive school.
Texas shite on this bed and wanted everyone to lay in it with them. The smart schools (that had options) declined.
They accepted the JR membership we didn't want.
It destroyed the conference. The conference revenue model was all about conference networks at that point and the LHN made a Big 12 network a non starter.
Had the league pooled its tier 3 rights like the other leagues it would still be around in peak form. Not the mush mash nonsensical pairing of lost souls it is now. Colorado probably still would have left, but one team would have been easily replaceable. Even with an attractive school.
Texas shite on this bed and wanted everyone to lay in it with them. The smart schools (that had options) declined.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 1:58 pm to JesusQuintana
I hate OU, their "wallflower" comment is the final reason we jumped.
That said they create national interest by instantly making primetime must watch games:
LSU vs OU
Bama vs OU
GA vs OU
FL vs OU
Will watch games:
AU vs OU
Tenn vs OU
Would watch games:
Everyone else
That's premium inventory.
That said they create national interest by instantly making primetime must watch games:
LSU vs OU
Bama vs OU
GA vs OU
FL vs OU
Will watch games:
AU vs OU
Tenn vs OU
Would watch games:
Everyone else
That's premium inventory.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:03 pm to texashorn
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What plan was that? To leave the Big 12?
No to make the Longhorn Network. Texas asked the Big 12 if they could before they did it. The problem is what they asked for isn't what they ended up doing.
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Ouch, this is from the Omaha newspaper
Ok one point for you, every other point for me. Good on you to finally use a source for once.
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He's just pissing and moaning REALLY LOUD.
Words don't make noise. I am just trying to set the record straight as you try to shrug off the provable a-hole moves Texas did during that period.
At the end of the day it is you doing the moaning, as even without knowing as much as I do most college football fans see Texas as the villain in this whole thing. You have to live with that fact, not me.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:04 pm to JesusQuintana
My first guess 'bout teams that the SEC would want would be in the ACC...FSU, Clemson, UNC, Va Tech, possibly NC State...but I don't see the ACC folding anytime soon so that's probably moot...
OU is a football blue-blood and would increase the conference's strength. Would also give teams like A&M, Arky, and MO a more regional rival. OU has also been a basketball power so it'd help with the conference strength there as well. If the SEC does invite OU, I'm guessing that'd be why...
OU is a football blue-blood and would increase the conference's strength. Would also give teams like A&M, Arky, and MO a more regional rival. OU has also been a basketball power so it'd help with the conference strength there as well. If the SEC does invite OU, I'm guessing that'd be why...
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:05 pm to JesusQuintana
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They (Nebraska) accepted the JR membership we didn't want.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:10 pm to cardboardboxer
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You were for it before you were against it. You tried to look like an innocent party who was taken advantage of. All of that is a lie. You were complicit.
No, it was the other way around. We were for equal revenue sharing but then when it was obvious it wouldn't happen we decided to not get stuck at the little kid's table. But good luck proving your point of view with the sources like I have proven mine
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Beebe actually pushed for equitable revenue sharing but was voted down by the Big 12 power brokers: Texas, OU, A&M and Nebraska. Beebe’s predecessor, Kevin Weiberg, pushed for a Big 12 Network. He was rebuffed by the same set of schools
LINK
Want me to post a link of the Aggie athletic director talking about plans to start an Aggie Network?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:10 pm to Arksulli
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good program that doesn't draw huge numbers and who is looking more and more like their glory days are behind them.
They were just in the playoffs
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:10 pm to Arksulli
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good program that doesn't draw huge numbers and who is looking more and more like their glory days are behind them.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:13 pm to 14&Counting
Which they got into in large part because the committee felt bad about leaving a Big 12 team out year before. Clemson proceeded to casually throttle them.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:21 pm to texashorn
For cardboard:
Want to know the worst part about your claim about "A&M just went along because they didn't want to get left out"?
It took nine votes in the old Big 12 to change the TV revenue model.
Any one single vote from Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska or A&M would've thrown the vote the other way.
Your Aggie vote was the one that put it over the top.
If you'd voted with the other schools, you would've stymied Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska.
But you didn't. And here you are, six or eight years later claiming you were tricked into things.
Want to know the worst part about your claim about "A&M just went along because they didn't want to get left out"?
It took nine votes in the old Big 12 to change the TV revenue model.
Any one single vote from Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska or A&M would've thrown the vote the other way.
Your Aggie vote was the one that put it over the top.
If you'd voted with the other schools, you would've stymied Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska.
But you didn't. And here you are, six or eight years later claiming you were tricked into things.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:22 pm to JesusQuintana
Its more entertaining with OU relative to Mizzou / A&M. I don't care about the money, i'm not involved with the management AD or the school and they seem to be doing just fine so why would i care if there are two more mouths to feed?
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:58 pm to texashorn
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LINK
That was from the early 00's when that vote came up. We had different leadership then.
In 2010 and 2011 when the network deals got renegotiated is when we pushed for equal revenue sharing. By that point it was obvious that the vote to not create a Big 12 Network was a mistake, and having payouts based on tv appearances was a mistake.
I can admit we made that mistake if you can admit we tried to fix it before we left.
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Want me to post a link of the Aggie athletic director talking about plans to start an Aggie Network?
Sure it will be about us trying to create a network within the bounds of what the Big 12 agreed to unlike what the LHN was.
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Any one single vote from Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska or A&M would've thrown the vote the other way. Your Aggie vote was the one that put it over the top. If you'd voted with the other schools, you would've stymied Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska.
That assumes that the programs not named Texas OU and Nebraska would have voted with us. In reality programs like Baylor and Iowa St. were quick to vote to support unequal revenue sharing because they wanted to make a Texas that almost left them in the cold happy.
The unequal deal that we eventually agreed to came AFTER Texas almost left for the PAC, AFTER those programs almost became mid majors. At that point they felt like it was smarter to do what Texas (and OU) wanted because they didn't want to have the conference (which was only being held together for money) to fall apart. To them getting $15 million while Texas got $25 million was better than getting $2 million in the Conference USA.
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But you didn't. And here you are, six or eight years later claiming you were tricked into things.
We weren't tricked into crap. We advocated for equal revenue sharing, but by the time we advocated for it the conference was so fricked up that nothing could save it. So we took the extra money as a consolation prize.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:21 pm to JesusQuintana
The SEC doesn’t need to expand anymore. Just send Auburn to the East and let the West have Mizzou. Otherwise, if you add OU and another, might as well come up with a new name for the league.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:30 pm to The Balinese Club
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"texashorn" and or "Oklahomy" and "Old School Horn" are all in tow as well.
Because I show up in the threads about OU, dipshit. I know I'll find aggots and tiggers in here whining like bitches at any thought of having to play OU again in conference. I don't know any of those people. Sorry charlie.....they just know here to find you as well as I do. You're predictable, butthurt nature makes you......predictable.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:36 pm to Tillman
Clemson had their chance homey. No crying about it now.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 3:41 pm to CharlotteSooner
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You're predictable, butthurt nature makes you......predictable.
"your"
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:30 pm to cardboardboxer
Woah woah woah. Texas gave the aggies a chance to get on the network train too and y'all declined.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:34 pm to JesusQuintana
I did not know that the SEC wanted OU.
Posted on 5/12/17 at 4:35 pm to Sid E Walker
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I did not know that the SEC wanted OU.
They sure did before OU chained themselves to the Texas cancer wagon and turned the offer down.
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