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re: Calcaterra Calls US Flag/Air Force Flyover “Political” Stunt that Should Be bann
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:58 am to Vecchio Cane
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:58 am to Vecchio Cane
its a lot sillier to randomly play the anthem before a sporting event when there is no real reason to do so
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:59 am to Vecchio Cane
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What's sillier though, the anthem or the sports event?
The anthem is important and it is cheapened by being used at every single sporting event played between americans, in american venues.
They leverage something important to get 'cheap heat' out of the audience for something that's ultimately pretty silly, but we still care about.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:59 am to MButterfly
I think the controversy over what happened in the nfl has stirred people the wrong way.
For those who don't remember the nfl was paid to "advertise" the flag and other symbols of patriotism.
For those who don't remember the nfl was paid to "advertise" the flag and other symbols of patriotism.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:00 am to UAtide11
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The anthem is important and it is cheapened by being used at every single sporting event played between americans, in american venues. They leverage something important to get 'cheap heat' out of the audience for something that's ultimately pretty silly, but we still care about.
yesPosted on 4/17/17 at 11:01 am to Vecchio Cane
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What's sillier though, the anthem or the sports event?
Depends on what sport.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:02 am to Jyrdis
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Why is this now an issue for him? Why hasn't he stated this before?
He has. Saw this from 2014 -
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For so long in our history, sports had been more or less apolitical. Or, at the very least, places where we could escape the politics of the day for a little while. Now it’s clearly a place where a certain type of nationalism and pro-military sentiment (which itself has practical political implications), however well-intentioned, is acceptable. And even expected.
I’m not sure what to do about this. I don’t want Major League Baseball to stop giving money and doing things for veterans and veterans charities, obviously. I like that we sing the National Anthem before sporting events. There is something nice about the blending of Americana and baseball.
But I wonder if, in our efforts to do good things, we have lost other good things. Or, at the very least, devalued good things by overdoing it and taking the thoughtfulness out of it. Difficult issues to be sure. And ones that, I do not think, will be tackled before we have our next round of warplane flyovers, tribute concerts and several hundred more renditions of “God Bless America.”
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:09 am to TigerTalker16
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Welp, he's fired.
You serious Clark? He works in the media, he will probably win a Pulitzer and be given the ESPY for courage.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:14 am to msudawg1200
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It's a sports tradition like announcing the starting lineups, playing music between innings, etc.
exactly. It's been reduced to nothing more than another rote sports tradition. I'm no uber-patriotic person myself, but I think there should be more reverence for the anthem.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:16 am to UAtide11
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The anthem is important and it is cheapened by being used at every single sporting event
No one would ever hear it without sports.
As others have said, there's no real reason to it - other sports copied baseball's tradition to add legitimacy to their own sport. But I like it and want to keep it a part of baseball. I don't care about the other sports so much, but I really like it in baseball.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:22 am to bgator85
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He has. Saw this from 2014 -
Seems his outrage at mixing politics and sports is selective
From 2016:
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Colin Kaepernick is not Jackie Robinson and America in 2016 is not the same as America in 1919, 1947 or 1972. But it does not take one of Jackie Robinson’s stature or experience to see and take issue with injustice and inequality which manifestly still exists.
As I said in the earlier post, the First Amendment gives us just as much right to criticize Kaepernick as it gives him a right to protest in the manner in which he chooses. But if and when we do, we should not consider his case in a vacuum or criticize him as some singular or radical actor. Because some other people — people who have been elevated to a level which has largely immunized them from criticism — felt and feel the same way he does. It’s worth asking yourself, if you take issue, whether you take issue with the message or the messenger and why. Such inquiries might complicate one’s feelings on the matter, but they’re quite illuminative as well.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:23 am to MButterfly
This person litter the PT board with garbage on a daily basis. And they have already posted it there. Who's looking for attention???
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:23 am to WestCoastAg
he's a moron for making a statement. Besides, if we keep politics out of sports ESPN would go out of business. That network has become a joke - can't watch it anymore.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:25 am to MButterfly
Calcaterra is a liberal hack, just like Florio of PFT. What else would you expect from sites under the NBC umbrella?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:32 am to UncleFestersLegs
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Seems his outrage at mixing politics and sports is selective
I'm not really sure he is outraged by mixing politics and sports. The Tweet in the OP is a quote to provoke a response from those that tell him politics and sports shouldn't mix.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:35 am to MButterfly
Now he said playing the victim thing hard on Twitter. I won't say he deserves some of the comments, but he brought it on himself.
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:40 am to MButterfly
Liberals - just obliterate them.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:40 am to bgator85
quote:So its everyone else who are hypocrites? Got it.
I'm not really sure he is outraged by mixing politics and sports. The Tweet in the OP is a quote to provoke a response from those that tell him politics and sports shouldn't mix.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:55 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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I say keep the flag, but remove the militarism, including flyovers - at least for professional sports. Flyovers and military displays make sense at colleges that have a military tradition.
Meh, half the stadiums in the country seem to be named War Memorial. Its not like this is a big and brand new thing. People who tend to go to sporting events also tend to be more patriotic so I doubt they are offended unless they work for ESPN.
Technically speaking we are only supposed to do fly overs at aviation events or patriotic holidays however its cheap publicity for the military and it does get the crowd revved up a bit.
25% of the male population are veterans and they skew towards older men, the type that own season tickets. The guys who might like to see a fly over.
Its not exactly tempting the youth either since only around ten percent or so of the younger generation has served in the military. If this is a display of rampant militarism it doesn't seem to be working very well judging by recruiting.
So if rolling out giant flags and having some jets fly over works then why bother to change it? It isn't hurting anyone and generally the military just tacks them onto routine training flights anyway.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 11:55 am to MButterfly
Do the blue jays play the Canadian National Anthem before their games? I don't really care either way but i am curious. In soccer matches they play both teams national anthems based on wear they are located.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 12:02 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
quote:I believe the cost for the flyovers is taken out of the participating branch's recruiting and training budgets. The flights would be flown anyway, as pilots need the flight time, so the fuel usage and strain on the airframe would be incurred either way. Also, you bring the military to the public, which helps in advertising and recruiting.
Who pays for flyovers. Tax payers or crowd go-ers??
When you have things like the parachute teams jump into the stadium, the event organizer/host team pays for things like meals and lodging if the team is there overnight or something like that.
That may have changed in recent years, but that was the general rule of thumb a few years back.
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