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re: Breaking Down Gruden’s 5 Takeaways on Joshua Dobbs
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:05 pm to David Ricky
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:05 pm to David Ricky
So we're putting Dobbs in the same breath as Tebow and Manziel?
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Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:06 pm to thatdude1985
I was more or less posting that as a response to the dummy that said Dobbs is average and held VOLS back.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:10 pm to David Ricky
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Dobbs, Tebow and Manziel are the only quarterbacks in SEC history with multiple 300 passing 100 rushing yard games iirc.
Yep. And Dobbs is the only one of the three that's criminally under-rated in terms of his college performance. Spurrier was about the only one that gave him his due when he said the two best college QBs were Watson and Dobbs. In the time between when Spurrier said that and now, Dobbs improved his pocket passing immensely but his early struggles with his footwork dogged the perception of him and that combined with his production as a runner got him tagged as a guy who could only run the ball.
However, he's got a live arm, great size, great speed, and great leadership qualities. His intangibles are ridiculous. Where he needs to clean things up is in his mid-range throwing and his footwork.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:27 pm to thatdude1985
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So we're putting Dobbs in the same breath as Tebow and Manziel?
After Dobbs spends about 5 years in the NFL we won't be.
Dobbs and Tebow will be mentioned in the same breath only when good character is discussed.
Manziel's drunk arse will be forgotten by then.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:38 pm to thatdude1985
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So we're putting Dobbs in the same breath as Tebow and Manziel?
UT didn't have a single player drafted in the last two drafts while both Tebow's and Manziel's teams were loaded with 1st rounders and top picks of the draft. Despite that and the OL and WR struggles that were previously mentioned, Dobbs managed to do things in his college career that in SEC history only they had accomplished.
People may not like the comparison because UT wasn't a great team when Dobbs was QB nor did UT pull off a stunner like TAMU did against BAMA but the records and circumstances speak for themselves. In terms of his college career, Dobbs has always been criminally underrated.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:45 pm to Prof
I really do like Dobbs and think he was a good not great QB. He was very smart.
I just don't think he has a very accurate arm. I may be wrong but that's what I think.
I just don't think he has a very accurate arm. I may be wrong but that's what I think.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 7:50 pm to Prof
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Dobbs has always been criminally underrated
No he hasn't. He was a top QB in the SEC this year but before that he was nothing special...
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:00 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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1) Dobbs will be asleep during this draft 2) The Dak Prescott comparisons disintegrate 3) Dobbs needs to start faster taking notes
4) Dobb’s smarts could come in handy on the sideline. 5) There is a major transition ahead
Fify
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:09 pm to bbvdd
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I really do like Dobbs and think he was a good not great QB. He was very smart.
I just don't think he has a very accurate arm. I may be wrong but that's what I think.
Accuracy is a fair criticism but there were a lot of factors that played into that. He spent most of his time running for his life and he has had a tendency to throw off his back foot. However, he's cleaned that up pretty well.
The thing about Dobbs has always been that when he's in the zone (not throwing off his back foot and just generally on) he's nearly unstoppable both running and passing but when he has no time and slips into bad habits he can look pretty terrible. We've seen him clean up his passing game but now that he's free to pursue football full time, I think he'll get even better.
Dobbs is one of those rare guys who committed to both football and an academic load that is a full-time job for even super-smart students and despite succeeding at both to some degree it also hurt his ability to reach his full potential as a QB. There just aren't enough hours in the day and splitting your commitments takes a toll. During his performances in the Senior Bowl, Combine, and Pro Day he was in the easier part of his senior year (first semester of your senior year is considered the hardest for his major) and it showed. Those performances where he got to show coaches and scouts what he could do when he was focused are a major reason his draft stock has risen so much. The potential is there but he has work to do.
He's not an instant starter imo but he is one who has the potential to become one.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:52 pm to BigOrangeBri
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This is why Gruden gets paid millions as a football analyst and you don't
Gruden compares Dobbs to Prescott and that somehow makes him good? Seems a little homer-ish.
Well we all know that Gruden is the best scout out there, right?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 8:54 pm to rmnldr
I will fight you irl for talking shite about Gruden
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:00 pm to rmnldr
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Gruden compares Dobbs to Prescott and that somehow makes him good? Seems a little homer-ish.
Well we all know that Gruden is the best scout out there, right?
There's no doubt that Gruden is a Vol homer. It's not a secret that he worked here, that his wife is a former cheerleader or that his son currently attends UT. Gruden loves UT and always has. He also knows Dobbs pretty well because he hangs around our program a lot. That said, the records back up the argument and it's not just Prescott he compares favorably too. Truth be told Josh Dobbs is closer to Heath Shuler with a brain and an attitude that doesn't make his own team hate him than anyone else. Only Heath played for a better team
What I can't figure out is your dislike of Prescott because slamming Dak is downright crazy given the season he just had.
ETA: And Gruden has shown that he doesn't let his bias get in the way. He destroyed UT QB Tyler Bray.
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:04 pm to BigOrangeBri
How many passing TD's did he have. If I remember correctly both those gents had significantly more than 20 (could be very wrong) is that stat some made up parameters just to get dobbs in the same paragraph as tebow and Prescott?
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:05 pm to David Ricky
Here's to hoping he doesn't follow their trajectories in the league
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:08 pm to Oilfieldbiology
I agree wholeheartedly with the Tebow and Manziel comparisons. I think Dobbs will have a very similar NFL career. Only you idiots from Tennessee would compare your QB to two huge NFL busts as evidence for how great he will be.
Morons.
Morons.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:43 pm to Prof
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What I can't figure out is your dislike of Prescott because slamming Dak is downright crazy given the season he just had.
I'm saying that Dobbs is no where near Dak.
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I will fight you irl for talking shite about Gruden
Midway point sonic. Where you at, baw?
This post was edited on 4/17/17 at 9:44 pm
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:54 pm to ThundrHawg
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I agree wholeheartedly with the Tebow and Manziel comparisons. I think Dobbs will have a very similar NFL career. Only you idiots from Tennessee would compare your QB to two huge NFL busts as evidence for how great he will be.
Morons.
In terms of college records, they're on similar footing. Dak isn't a bust and he compares to him as well.
With that said, Dobbs has far more pro potential than Manziel and Tebow ever did. Unlike many QB prospects, he has barely scratched the surface of his potential. IOW, a fully committed Dobbs should make a far bigger jump in the NFL than most QBs because he's got far more time to devote to his craft. He's never had the time to focus solely on football and in games Dobbs has shown what he can do when he's actually locked in. A fully focused Dobbs can do damn near anything and scouts and coaches are starting to see that and as a result his stock has risen.
He has a schockingly good deep ball completion rate at damn near 50 percent, a quick release, plenty of arm strength, leadership, intelligence and the ability to burn you on quick throws.
His flaws are easily correctable and mainly stem from footwork issues that have already gotten better as he's had time to work on them. In the NFL, he'll be able to work on that full time. His other flaw is intermediate passing which has to get better but is once again correctable.
With his smarts, measurables, overall talent, leadership, improved passing game, and intangibles he's exactly the kind of prospect that if you're smart you take a chance on. Again not a day one starter but his future isn't as backup either. If he continues to develop as he's done every year, Josh Dobbs will be a starter one day.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 9:55 pm to rmnldr
Butch said on the show it was a goal to have a QB on Grudens show and that it just shows how far the program has come.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:08 pm to rmnldr
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I'm saying that Dobbs is no where near Dak.
So you're just ignoring his production/the fact that he did things only Dak, Manziel, and Tebow managed and ignoring the fact that he did it all on a team that had 0 draft picks the last 2 drafts, a pitiful OL, a WR corps that struggled for 2 and 1/2 seasons before clicking as well as the fact that he joined the rushing/passing TD club despite having less playing time than Dak and others, because it doesn't fit your narrative/preconceived notions. Gotcha.
TBH, and I've said it before in this thread, Dobbs is more like a smarter, better prepared, Heath Shuler except unlike Heath (in the Pros anyway) Dobbs has that ability to lead without making his team hate him and Heath.
A lot goes into whether a player has NFL success and that includes having a lot of luck and being at the right place at the right time but Dobbs has the the physical and mental tools to be a starter in the NFL. Tebow and Manziel never did for various reasons.
None of that means he'll be a super-star. There are simply too many things that have to happen for that to occur but he has the talent and drive to succeed in the NFL.
Put him behind a vet and let him learn and you'll be surprised at what he can do when the lights are on.
Posted on 4/17/17 at 10:32 pm to Monticello
Dobbs wasn't the problem. Butch Jones was.
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