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re: BIG 12 expanding again?
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:30 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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so going to 12 now means taking a program with fleas
how is that different than what they are now?
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Dan Beebe ?@DanBeebe 4h4 hours ago
So Boren wants to get back to 12 teams? Say, Missouri and Texas A&M would fit the footprint nicely. Maybe give them a call?
This post was edited on 6/24/15 at 6:41 pm
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:33 pm to Cheese Grits
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Taking Tulane means adding a charter SEC school and getting into an SEC state now that the SEC is back in TX. As AR and MO are single state schools, nobody to take there and going to the west means NM and nothing exciting there.
I think the charter thing is nice to say but irrelevant for the dollars and national media concerns that dominate these types of decisions.
I agree that getting into a new state media market makes some sense but memphis (2 million more residents than LA) and cincinnati (7 million more residents than LA) offer much better markets if this is your driving force.
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If Cincinnati is the other school then they have the perfect model already in place. Bearcats play most all games at home but play Paul Brown (NFL Bengal) when they can sell 50K to 60K seats. Tulane could follow the same model.
Tulane has just invested a lot of money (to them perhaps, not others) in an on campus football stadium. Politically speaking it would be exceptionally difficult for the same administration to reverse course and go back to playing football games in the Superdome... setting aside the revenue issues that go with having to use another financial organization's facilities.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:43 pm to AU24
Cincinnati and Tulane is my bet on who they add.
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Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:45 pm to molsusports
I think they'll grab Cincy and UCF as well.
UCF is HUGE and they have a solid program that could explode in a Power 5.
Cincy gets you Ohio and they seem to be growing as well and are always competitive.
Hope they don't get Memphis. I enjoy no other Power 5 schools being in the state of TN but us.
UCF is HUGE and they have a solid program that could explode in a Power 5.
Cincy gets you Ohio and they seem to be growing as well and are always competitive.
Hope they don't get Memphis. I enjoy no other Power 5 schools being in the state of TN but us.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 6:48 pm to AU24
Add Russia and Ukraine. Natural rivalry. Of course, Russia would want to run everything. Texas would be in trouble.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:09 pm to AU24
As the bush league looks to further water down their diluted piss product.
An XII expansion would be just two more reasons to be glad Mizzou's in the SEC.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:29 pm to AU24
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Houston and SMU
tu will never allow UH in and TCU, Baylor, tu, TTU, and OU make up more than enough coverage of Dallas.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 7:36 pm to AU24
They wanna be at 12 again I'm sure.
Makes their name make more sense, is more stable than 10, etc.
Makes their name make more sense, is more stable than 10, etc.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:26 pm to IAmReality
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is more stable than 10, etc.
stability is in the eye of the beholder.. they were at 12 and weren't very stable then.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:34 pm to Farmer1906
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Houston and SMU
tu will never allow UH in and TCU, Baylor, tu, TTU, and OU make up more than enough coverage of Dallas.
Taking another team from TX makes zero sense for the B12.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 8:44 pm to AU24
Why not UAB? They are in the the highest college football TV market in the country.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 9:01 pm to AU24
Id take byu and ucf.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:08 pm to AU24
UNLV and Tulane
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:27 pm to Ericvol2096
UCF would be such a geographical nightmare. I mean, maybe that is where they go, but flying a women's bowling team to the middle of Florida from Ames on a Wednesday just can't be very appealing.
Facts are, there just aren't any overly appealing options for them at this point. They are just as likely to fold in the future as expand.
Facts are, there just aren't any overly appealing options for them at this point. They are just as likely to fold in the future as expand.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 10:39 pm to AU24
quote:i dont think they want basically the SWC 2.0
Houston and SMU
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:02 pm to AU24
OU to the SEC!
UT will burn that neighborhood down!
UT will burn that neighborhood down!
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:04 pm to RockChalkTiger
Rice > Houston
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:23 pm to Tennessee Jed
BYU feels like a natural fit to me.
Houston makes sense historically too.
If these two get in a would just like to point out one thing:
In 2004 when Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville were all in CUSA still, UAB had an equal athletic Athletic Department to all of them in every sport except football.
Those 4 were not only the top basketball teams in CUSA, but national competitors.
The difference between them and UAB? Those schools made a commitment to their football programs and UAB was given nothing and told to make it work.
All 4 schools are "commuter" schools with urban campuses (Louisville and Memphis both have similar sized metro population).
Granted, all 3 of those schools are much much older than UAB with football programs decades older than UAB itself, giving them established alumni bases for support. But in 2004 they were in the same situation athletically as UAB.
If Cincy and Memphis make the Big 12, and with Louisville in the ACC now, and even all 3 of them having been in the Big East, it shows the potential of a school like UAB if given the support and tools to compete and time to nurture and grow.
Let's look at the stadium situations for comparison.
-Cincinnati, Nippert Stadium: on campus stadium. 35k seats (just expanded to 40k due to their success.) Basically this is exactly what UAB wants and needs. Draws fans who want to be downtown anyway and allows students easy, quick, and safe access to games. Cincy is lucky theirs is so old and historic.
-Louisville, Papa John's Stadium: UL was able to use corporate sponsorship to get first class facilities for both football and basketball. This a good idea for an upstart program like UAB. Would Regions want to own B'ham sports with their names on downtown baseball and football stadiums? Having their name on a D-1 college football stadium would give them considerably more exposure than a minor league baseball stadium could ever hope for.
-Memphis, Liberty Bowl: I already know the comparisons to Legion Field are coming here, but you're wrong. They're roughly the same size and historic stadiums. But Legion Field is 50 years older. Legion Field has projects across the street. Legion Field has been allowed to deteriorate while the Liberty Bowl has been maintained and given face lifts. Even being half a century older and maintained its still showing its age. No way in hell the Liberty Bowl is still being used in 50 years. Legion Fiels isn't fit for any kind of use except scrap.
Last point for those still saying UAB can't win in football. Look at almost every other CFB program in Alabama. There's a football team from Alabama that dominates almost every level of CFB, and almost every singl program is successful. But unlike UAB, those football programs are backed by their administration. Imagine what a school in the heart of the biggest city of the most football crazy state on earth could accomplish with the proper support.
-Bama. Top 5 CFB program all time
-Auburn. Top 15 CFB program all time
-Troy. Former D-2 powerhouse. Came into FBS after UAB and since have won 5 conference championships, been to 5 bowl games, had 12 draft picks including two 1st rounders, and have the stadium that UAB needs. And have done all this in the middle of nowhere. Imagine a program that tries like Troy but in Birmingham.
-South Alabama. Only existed since 2009 and been FBS for 3 seasons. Coming into their own in the Sun Belt and a big reason for Troys recent struggles. They are a prime example for UAB of how to start from literally nowhere and build a foundation for the future.
-North Alabama. Division 2 powerhouse. Perennial championship contender.
-Jacksonville State. FCS power, constant conference contender, annual playoff presence, and have even managed some good NFL players
Houston makes sense historically too.
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Memphis and Cincinnati make the most sense from a market standpoint. It also bridges the league geographically.
If these two get in a would just like to point out one thing:
In 2004 when Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville were all in CUSA still, UAB had an equal athletic Athletic Department to all of them in every sport except football.
Those 4 were not only the top basketball teams in CUSA, but national competitors.
The difference between them and UAB? Those schools made a commitment to their football programs and UAB was given nothing and told to make it work.
All 4 schools are "commuter" schools with urban campuses (Louisville and Memphis both have similar sized metro population).
Granted, all 3 of those schools are much much older than UAB with football programs decades older than UAB itself, giving them established alumni bases for support. But in 2004 they were in the same situation athletically as UAB.
If Cincy and Memphis make the Big 12, and with Louisville in the ACC now, and even all 3 of them having been in the Big East, it shows the potential of a school like UAB if given the support and tools to compete and time to nurture and grow.
Let's look at the stadium situations for comparison.
-Cincinnati, Nippert Stadium: on campus stadium. 35k seats (just expanded to 40k due to their success.) Basically this is exactly what UAB wants and needs. Draws fans who want to be downtown anyway and allows students easy, quick, and safe access to games. Cincy is lucky theirs is so old and historic.
-Louisville, Papa John's Stadium: UL was able to use corporate sponsorship to get first class facilities for both football and basketball. This a good idea for an upstart program like UAB. Would Regions want to own B'ham sports with their names on downtown baseball and football stadiums? Having their name on a D-1 college football stadium would give them considerably more exposure than a minor league baseball stadium could ever hope for.
-Memphis, Liberty Bowl: I already know the comparisons to Legion Field are coming here, but you're wrong. They're roughly the same size and historic stadiums. But Legion Field is 50 years older. Legion Field has projects across the street. Legion Field has been allowed to deteriorate while the Liberty Bowl has been maintained and given face lifts. Even being half a century older and maintained its still showing its age. No way in hell the Liberty Bowl is still being used in 50 years. Legion Fiels isn't fit for any kind of use except scrap.
Last point for those still saying UAB can't win in football. Look at almost every other CFB program in Alabama. There's a football team from Alabama that dominates almost every level of CFB, and almost every singl program is successful. But unlike UAB, those football programs are backed by their administration. Imagine what a school in the heart of the biggest city of the most football crazy state on earth could accomplish with the proper support.
-Bama. Top 5 CFB program all time
-Auburn. Top 15 CFB program all time
-Troy. Former D-2 powerhouse. Came into FBS after UAB and since have won 5 conference championships, been to 5 bowl games, had 12 draft picks including two 1st rounders, and have the stadium that UAB needs. And have done all this in the middle of nowhere. Imagine a program that tries like Troy but in Birmingham.
-South Alabama. Only existed since 2009 and been FBS for 3 seasons. Coming into their own in the Sun Belt and a big reason for Troys recent struggles. They are a prime example for UAB of how to start from literally nowhere and build a foundation for the future.
-North Alabama. Division 2 powerhouse. Perennial championship contender.
-Jacksonville State. FCS power, constant conference contender, annual playoff presence, and have even managed some good NFL players
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:24 pm to Kentucker
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Add Russia and Ukraine
You know what the Ukraine is? It's a sitting duck. A road apple. The Ukraine is weak. It's feeble. I think it's time to put the hurt on the Ukraine.
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:49 pm to Korin
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The majority of FCS programs have bigger stadiums than Tulane.
Yulman capacity is 30k and is designed to expand another 10k if needed.
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