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re: Better job: Tennessee or South Carolina?
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:41 pm to Bassmanbruno
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:41 pm to Bassmanbruno
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And Oregon is not a better job than Tennessee. Their location is horrible - they only have facilities and no tradition. And Tennessee currently is top 3 in football facilities so its not even that big of an advantage.
I couldn't disagree more. Oregon has a major national presence and their impact is being felt all over college football in ways that range from uniforms to facilities to offensive style. They are huge in today's college football. More than that, they are recognized as outstanding in every part of the country (which Tennessee really hasn't been since the 90s)
A given team's tradition is just not relevant unless you grew up as a fan of the particular team whose tradition you are enamored with. No one outside of their states or alumni base gave a rat's arse about OU's tradition right before Stoops, Texas' tradition right before Mack, Bama's tradition right before Saban, etc. Those teams didn't recruit well until they had a great coach to go along with their traditions.
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Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:43 pm to molsusports
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A given team's tradition is just not relevant unless you grew up as a fan of the particular team whose tradition you are enamored with. No one outside of their states or alumni base gave a rat's arse about OU's tradition right before Stoops, Texas' tradition right before Mack, Bama's tradition right before Saban, etc. Those teams didn't recruit well until they had a great coach to go along with their traditions.
So why doesn't Oregon recruit at a top 10 level and constantly get beat out in the rankings most years by Tennessee while we are going 5-7 and they are playing in BCS bowls?
Tennessee is a better job plain and simple. Their location makes ours look like a hot bed for talent and their fan support is god awful. Close to the worst in the PAC 10. Their facilities are nice but Tennessee's are top 3 at the moment and almost always top 5/10 so that advantage is minimal.
This post was edited on 8/9/13 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:46 pm to Bassmanbruno
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rankings
Opinions.
They are obviously recruiting better than Tennessee.
But lets use Steve Spurrier to end this debate.
Raised in Tennessee.
Coaches at Florida and Carolina.
Seems Tennessee is only good for low level HCs. Kiffen, Dooley, Jones.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:48 pm to DaleDenton
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Opinions. They are obviously recruiting better than Tennessee. But lets use Steve Spurrier to end this debate. Raised in Tennessee. Coaches at Florida and Carolina. Seems Tennessee is only good for low level HCs. Kiffen, Dooley, Jones.
Just keep on trollin' trollin' trollin'
Just keep on trollin' trollin' trollin'
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:50 pm to Bassmanbruno
If facts are trolls.
Yes.
Yes.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:50 pm to Bassmanbruno
Just keep on trollin' trollin' trollin'
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:52 pm to cokebottleag
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UT and it isn't close.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:52 pm to gamecocks22
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Maybe I am just biased, but why do you consider these better jobs the South Carolina. They both have more history, but SC has definitely evened the playing field with Clemson, and the amount of money we are getting by being in the SEC is only going to widen the gap.
If I was the coach at Miami, the lack of fan support would really piss me off. I personally think if Al Golden had the choice between SCAR and Miami, he would choose SCAR.
I do forsee SC passing both these programs very soon..and really may have already passed Miami. It is just so hard to not think of Miami of an elite program.
Clemson to me is basically on equal footing right now with SC in every category but just has more tradition.
I think the SEC money and if SC can win an SEC title in the next 3 years would vault them past them as a program soon.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 1:55 pm to DaleDenton
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But lets use Steve Spurrier to end this debate.
Raised in Tennessee.
Coaches at Florida and Carolina.
Spurrier coached at UF due to him playing there. He only played there because TN was still running the single wing when he was coming out of school and didn't recruit him.
Not sure what him coaching at SC has to do with this, considering we didn't have a job opening when he was on the market in 2005.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:01 pm to Ericvol2096
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Not sure what him coaching at SC has to do with this, considering we didn't have a job opening when he was on the market in 2005.
The job has been open 2 times since then.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:01 pm to Bassmanbruno
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So why doesn't Oregon recruit at a top 10 level and constantly get beat out in the rankings most years by Tennessee while we are going 5-7 and they are playing in BCS bowls?
Looking back in recent years do you really feel that those recruiting rankings were accurate? With respect to Tennessee it seems to me they have taken chances on a lot of kids who were talented but didn't stick with the program for one reason or another.
Oregon has been ranked lower in the recruiting rankings than Tennessee more often than not recently but that looks pretty suspect in retrospect doesn't it? They are after all putting people into the pros pretty efficiently now (with two first rounders this year and another taken in the top 46 picks).
We should just be honest about this. There's a regional/southern obsession with recruiting rankings that gives the recruiting services ranking classes a strong incentive to talk up recruits for programs with more paying subscribers. With that in mind you can probably compare programs within the same region and with the same numbers of fans with some degree of confidence. But if you expect rivals to spend as much time talking up a diamond in the rough who commits to Oregon as one who commits to Alabama? Then you are being naive IMO.
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their fan support is god awful. Close to the worst in the PAC 10
That's just stupid. I'm living in Arizona atm and I see more Oregon paraphernalia on a daily basis than I do Arizona stuff. Oregon is famous for their fan support and their crowd noise. Their home field advantage is one of the greatest in all of college football.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:02 pm to DaleDenton
Tennessee never pursued Spurrier during either of the last two coaching searches?? What the hell is your point.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:03 pm to Ericvol2096
i concede UT is a better job because of the traditional support. but w/ that support, comes more demand, which can make those premier jobs not as attractive. UT couldn't lure Charlie Strong last year, where it has be reported that he's holding out to replace Spurrier. doesn't mean UT is less a job, but sometimes coaches don't want to be put in a pressure cooker.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:05 pm to DaleDenton
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The job has been open 2 times since then.
Its actually been open 3 times since 05
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:07 pm to Moustache
Can't be a serious question.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:10 pm to Foolish cock
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Spurrier thought SC was a better job
Better than what? Florida shunned him.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:15 pm to nc14
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Florida shunned him.
Foley wanted Spurrier to submit a resume and Spurrier said frick that.
Not exactly shunning him
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:16 pm to Cockopotamus
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Its actually been open 3 times since 05
No one was interested in going to that place after they fired their GOAT HC in Fulmer.
They had to take what they could get, which was a young HC looking for a school to use as stepping stone to a premier program.
Posted on 8/9/13 at 2:20 pm to Cockopotamus
Yes it is. Why would a guy with a trophy case on campus and in the center of the media need a resume? What did Foley expect to learn from it? It was a dumb move, especially after firing a coach to create the opening.
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