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re: Best SEC Defenses/Offenses of last 5 years
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:36 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:36 pm to dgnx6
LSU wins or Bama wins by an even bigger margin. Bama found their groove and would probably look back at the rematch NC game and further exploit LSUs weaknesses and execute even better. On top of that, Bamas defense would be 110% ready for anything LSU could throw at them
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:51 pm to SummerOfGeorge
2013 LSU offense >>>>>>>>>>> 2013 Auburn offense
2011 LSU defense GOAT - not only are the def players drafted, but they are contributors to the teams that drafted them.
2011 Bama defense very very close second. The separating factor for me were the offenses that LSU faced and the actual points that the LSU team put on the board with non-offensive TD's that year.
2011 LSU defense GOAT - not only are the def players drafted, but they are contributors to the teams that drafted them.
2011 Bama defense very very close second. The separating factor for me were the offenses that LSU faced and the actual points that the LSU team put on the board with non-offensive TD's that year.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:07 pm to Tigers'Mojo
Ok but if the excuse is LSU O was shite then Bama gets to use the special teams was shite excuse.
Our special teams cost us more points than your offense did. Not to mention how many points you all gained from having great special teams.
So throw all that out and give 95 Nebraska the ball on the 20 against both 11' d's and tell me who you take.
LSU was a big play team, mostly on D and special teams but not as much as an immovable object as Bama was.
Not to mention the Bama offense was not all that special as well.
Our special teams cost us more points than your offense did. Not to mention how many points you all gained from having great special teams.
So throw all that out and give 95 Nebraska the ball on the 20 against both 11' d's and tell me who you take.
LSU was a big play team, mostly on D and special teams but not as much as an immovable object as Bama was.
Not to mention the Bama offense was not all that special as well.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:08 pm to Tigers'Mojo
Still think Bamas defense was better
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:12 pm to tt54l32v
Considering
I'd bet my life that LSU holds them to a field goal more often or gets a turnover more often than Bama without question. Look at the Georgia Southern game and multiply that by NFL talent...you're left with a reeling Bama defense that is dumbfounded as Neb racks up TD after TD. Throw in the experience that LSU had against the GT option attack a couple years earlier and my case is solidified.
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So throw all that out and give 95 Nebraska the ball on the 20 against both 11' d's and tell me who you take.
I'd bet my life that LSU holds them to a field goal more often or gets a turnover more often than Bama without question. Look at the Georgia Southern game and multiply that by NFL talent...you're left with a reeling Bama defense that is dumbfounded as Neb racks up TD after TD. Throw in the experience that LSU had against the GT option attack a couple years earlier and my case is solidified.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:24 pm to Tigers'Mojo
You're totally off. First of all, 95 Nebraska and Georgia Southern run 2 totally different offenses.
Matter of fact, 95 Nebraska rarely ran a triple option play. They used the I-bone offense, not the triple option.
And no, with the ball on the 20 95 Nebraska scores on neither team
Matter of fact, 95 Nebraska rarely ran a triple option play. They used the I-bone offense, not the triple option.
And no, with the ball on the 20 95 Nebraska scores on neither team
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:27 pm to The Silverback
Yeah I think Alabama had the better D but it was pretty close.
Haven't been alive a long time but those were the two best I have seen.
Haven't been alive a long time but those were the two best I have seen.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:29 pm to Tigers'Mojo
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Look at the Georgia Southern game and multiply that by NFL talent
This is the most ridiculous fallacies that I have seen regarding this argument. Look at how many 1st and 2nd string defenders Alabama was missing for this game and get back to me. Several key players in the run defense were out due to injury or to rest.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:35 pm to The Silverback
Inside and outside zone blocking schemes...doesn't matter how it is pitched or the back line up.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:47 pm to Houston Summit
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OFFENSE
1. 2010 Auburn : 24.9%
2. 2013 Texas A&M : 24.0%
3. 2012 Texas A&M : 23.1%
4. 2012 Alabama : 21.1%
5. 2013 South Carolina : 20.2%
6. 2014 Alabama : 19.8%
7. 2013 Auburn : 19.5%
8. 2010 Alabama : 18.9%
9. 2013 Georgia : 18.7%
10. 2014 Auburn : 18.0%
These should be flipped. 2012 O > 2013 O
I disagree. Until Johnny messed up his right shoulder and hand, that 2013 offense was freaking unstoppable, even with the questionable playcalling. In the 2 losses before LSU and Missouri (when he was jacked up), they put up 40+ points.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:59 pm to Tigers'Mojo
95 Nebraska goes 3 and out on Bama and gets 30-40 yards on LSU before they force a fumble. 
Every time your O went 3 and out hindering the d, our special teams give up a big play, left them a short field or missed a missed a filed goal.
Auburn scored 14 points on us that year with a strip sack fumble and a kickoff return. State returned a kickoff down inside the 10 and eventually scored. In fact most points scored on that D were from a big play, not many drove down the field.
If you need a stop you call up 11' Bama, if you need a big play you call 11 LSU.
Every time your O went 3 and out hindering the d, our special teams give up a big play, left them a short field or missed a missed a filed goal.
Auburn scored 14 points on us that year with a strip sack fumble and a kickoff return. State returned a kickoff down inside the 10 and eventually scored. In fact most points scored on that D were from a big play, not many drove down the field.
If you need a stop you call up 11' Bama, if you need a big play you call 11 LSU.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:05 pm to cattus
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2011 LSU Defense is the GOAT
Best Defense I have ever seen.
I think 2008 USC edges them out. Their LB corps was (all seniors):
Brian Cushing (won 2009 NFL rookie of the year)
Clay Matthews (won 2010 NFC DPOY, 2nd in NFL DPOY)
Rey Maualuga (solid NFL starter).
In other words, USC had a top 3 NFL LB corps... in college. The secondary and DL weren't on THAT level, but both units were still littered with draft picks.
On the season they held opponents to:
0 points: 3x
3 points: 3x
7 points: 2x
10 points: 2x
In their other 3, they gave up:
27 in Corvallis in a loss (USC struggled there back then)
23 in a blowout win @Stanford
24 in the Rose Bowl against Penn St (Penn got 17 4th quarter points to make it look respectable)
Other than @Oregon State, that defense was jaw dropping dominant all year long. It was a joke that Oklahoma snuck into the NC game ahead of USC. I would have loved to have seen Urban's O against that D. My guess is that urban would have one less ring.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 10:07 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:05 pm to Bmath
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Call me a homer, but I maintain that the 2011 LSU defense was better. Statistically their numbers were not significantly different with Bama having a slight edge in a few categories. The eyeball test for these numbers is very misleading based on the offenses that LSU played as opposed to those that Bama faced.
This
Plus Bama got to face the Jordan Jefferson led offense TWICE.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:11 pm to Ash'sProstheticHand
Partially faulty logic, will explain further tomorrow
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:14 pm to Ash'sProstheticHand
Unstoppable until they met LSU. Healthy johnny or not A&M was not going to do much against LSUs defense.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:17 pm to The Silverback
LSU's D wasn't exactly a brick wall that year. They gave up 40+ to Georgia. We'll never know but having a jacked up throwing shoulder and a sprained/broken thumb on his throwing hand was a pretty big limitation on his effectiveness.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:19 pm to The Silverback
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I do think both of those teams would beat Pete Carroll's USC teams, or 95 Nebraska, and 08 Florida. And ill go ahead and say they would beat 01 Miami. The canes never saw animals like 11 LSU/Bama
the teams you listed were great on offense and defense. both lsu and bama 2011 were extremely limited offensively and aren't in the class of those other teams.
to say either of the 2011 teams were better than 95 nebraska is beyond laughable.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:33 pm to 632627
Aren't in the same class? Haha
And no it's not laughable, nebraska OL that had one guy over 300 lbs would not have a good chance against those defenses. And their 215 lb FB Mackovicka? Against guys like Minter, Mingo, or Upshaw and Hightower, is also laughable
Pete Carroll had some very good teams at USC, but they weren't world beaters like many want to portray them as. 04 USC could've lost 3 games, 05 USC could've lost 2 games and had a soft defense, now I will say 08 USC was very impressive. SAME class as 2011 Bama/LSU and 2012 Bama. 01 Miami was great, but played in a relatively weak conference (key word: relatively). They were dominant but teams like Boston college and such are not on the same level as mid-level to top-notch SEC teams
95 Nebraska was far more dominant than any Miami or USC team, but I don't see how they'd match up against teams like 08 USC/UF, 11 Bama/LSU, 12 Bama, 13 FSU, hell even 2010 auburn. I say this because again, look how the game has changed. We know more about conditioning, strength training, and nutrition. The game is faster today as well (on all levels)
While Bama and LSU didnt have great offenses by any means, their defenses were good enough to back them up substantially. And 01 Miami had far from an elite offense. Sure they had the most talent, but what they did that year was far from extraordinary (given the offenses and numbers we've seen the last 5-6 years, 01 Miami's offense is not all that)
And Bama may not have had an elite, record-setting offense in 2011, but they were good enough to go up and down the field on one of the best college defenses to ever play the game.
Just my flawed opinion I guess
And no it's not laughable, nebraska OL that had one guy over 300 lbs would not have a good chance against those defenses. And their 215 lb FB Mackovicka? Against guys like Minter, Mingo, or Upshaw and Hightower, is also laughable
Pete Carroll had some very good teams at USC, but they weren't world beaters like many want to portray them as. 04 USC could've lost 3 games, 05 USC could've lost 2 games and had a soft defense, now I will say 08 USC was very impressive. SAME class as 2011 Bama/LSU and 2012 Bama. 01 Miami was great, but played in a relatively weak conference (key word: relatively). They were dominant but teams like Boston college and such are not on the same level as mid-level to top-notch SEC teams
95 Nebraska was far more dominant than any Miami or USC team, but I don't see how they'd match up against teams like 08 USC/UF, 11 Bama/LSU, 12 Bama, 13 FSU, hell even 2010 auburn. I say this because again, look how the game has changed. We know more about conditioning, strength training, and nutrition. The game is faster today as well (on all levels)
While Bama and LSU didnt have great offenses by any means, their defenses were good enough to back them up substantially. And 01 Miami had far from an elite offense. Sure they had the most talent, but what they did that year was far from extraordinary (given the offenses and numbers we've seen the last 5-6 years, 01 Miami's offense is not all that)
And Bama may not have had an elite, record-setting offense in 2011, but they were good enough to go up and down the field on one of the best college defenses to ever play the game.
Just my flawed opinion I guess
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:49 pm to The Silverback
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And 01 Miami had far from an elite offense
im not sure which alternate world of college football you were watching, but 01 miami's offense sure as frick was elite. just because they ran a pro style offense instead of a hurry up spread and didn't put up video game numbers doesn't mean they weren't elite.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 10:52 pm to 632627
My definition of elite offense is being an all time great. I stand by my opinion (2 of my posts ago)
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