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re: Best Plan Ever to Maximize SEC $$ in the Future (Realignment/Expansion)
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:57 am to CockInYourEar
Posted on 7/8/15 at 9:57 am to CockInYourEar
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College sports is a business, don't let any of the hyperbole about "student athlete" fool you.
1. 9 SEC Game Football Schedule.
-SEC games are worth more than watching a SEC team beat an FCS team. Teams with OOC rivalry games still get to keep those, and everybody still gets two warm up games.
2. Expand the SEC's Geographic/Media market share.
- We need to add schools in states/media markets that don't have SEC schools:
TOP 5 Choices: Oklahoma, UNC, UVA, KU, WVU
- That would create 19 teams as of now in the SEC, but see the next step below....
3. Cut Schools who are NOT needed for that Geographic/Media market share.
- Goodbye: [img]Auburn[/img], Miss St, [img]Vanderbilt[/img] and [img]aTm[/img].
- These schools aren't needed to maintain the state's media market interest, plus they ARE NOT flagships, and everybody knows, the SEC is a Flagship Conference.
You are correct college sports is a business. Unfortunately you are violating several basic business principles.
Rule 1: Know the thing you do and do it well. It would be tough to argue in any business to eliminate portions of the business which have been key to its overall success for years. Especially parts that still play the same vital role they have always played. Auburn, Vandy and MSU are too vital to eliminate. If you don't see the role they play in the success of the SEC then we are waisting time talking about it. I can't do much with micro-thinking.
Rule 2: Embrace needed change. A&M is and has been a huge success for the SEC. Most of the revenue explosion of the SEC network can be directly tied to the $1.40 shares in Texas. Missouri has also been a good addition but not nearly as important as A&M.
Rule 3: Don't make business decisions with your heart. Oklahoma and WVU would be heart choices to add to the SEC under any circumstance. They are a bad business decision. Which is ironic because you started out the OP by touting that "College sports is a business," IMHO if you run a business you might as well run it well. No reason to make bad business decisions just because it is a business.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 10:03 am
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:00 am to Old Sarge
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What's interesting in the Clemson is the Flagship discussion, which is pretty established. Is that before joining the SEC no one had ever heard of SC or even knew they existed, and before hiring Spurrier, no one outside of the SEC had ever heard of SC or knew SC existed.
When you think of South Carolina football, Clemson comes to mind.
Great points.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:02 am to CockInYourEar
Auburn would win the Sunbelt every year.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:03 am to cardboardboxer
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Public schools have to follow the FOIA, and therefore a conference made of only public schools would have to work in public thanks to FOIA requests. With a single private school in the mix FOIA doesn't apply and everything can be kept in secret
The hell do you think they are trying to keep secret?!?!
Why are those secrets worth more than adding the new schools?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:06 am to BulldogNation
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If you really wanna maximize money, why not just have
Texas, OSU, big USC, Bama, Notre Dame, Oregon,
FSU, Penn State, Michigan, FLA, and UNC and call it Super Duper Money Conference
Sure, they could take the top 2-5 revenue generating teams from the Power 5 conferences and make a 16 team Continental Giant Conference.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:06 am to UKWildcats
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Auburn, Vanderbilt, and Mississippi State have been in the SEC since the beginning. Your Gamecocks have been here barely 20 years. Sit down.
So by your logic...Barnes and Noble should keep all of it's stores, b/c it was those stores that built the company.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:09 am to CockInYourEar
B&N stores were losing money, not the same thing. MSU, Vandy, and Auburn make the SEC money.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:16 am to Tigerman97
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Rule 1: Know the thing you do and do it well. It would be tough to argue in any business to eliminate portions of the business which have been key to its overall success for years. Especially parts that still play the same vital role they have always played. Auburn, Vandy and MSU are too vital to eliminate. If you don't see the role they play in the success of the SEC then we are waisting time talking about it. I can't do much with micro-thinking.
Rule 2: Embrace needed change. A&M is and has been a huge success for the SEC. Most of the revenue explosion of the SEC network can be directly tied to the $1.40 shares in Texas. Missouri has also been a good addition but not nearly as important as A&M.
Rule 3: Don't make business decisions with your heart. Oklahoma and WVU would be heart choices to add to the SEC under any circumstance. They are a bad business decision. Which is ironic because you started out the OP by touting that "College sports is a business," IMHO if you run a business you might as well run it well. No reason to make bad business decisions just because it is a business.
Some rules that applies to and transcends business are:
Those who don't adapt, die.
It's not the big that eat the small, it's the fast who eat the slow.
quick summary of other points:
Saying one member is vital, just b/c they were here in the beginning is a personal decision/preference. Adding UNC and dropping one of the 3 mentioned would generate more $ for the conference...the same way expanding to MO and TX already did. Texas has a bigger following that aTm, both on the state and national level. Adding OK and WVU make geographic, media market, and overall revenue sense.Look at travel costs for the schools, or benefits of having teams closer by for visiting fans, or helping to expand a clearly defined geo footprint as well.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:17 am to Sid E Walker
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Auburn would win the Sunbelt every year.
Yes, but they would get picked up by the ACC, Big 12, or Big 10 in a heartbeat.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:17 am to CockInYourEar
A South Carolina fan should hope and pray that the SEC never decides to kick out any school. You would be in the top 3 or 4 to get the boot at the very least. You might even be number one considering there would likely be some sentiment not to kick out founding members like the Mississippi schools and Vanderbilt. The only reason South Carolina was admitted in the first place is because Florida State was too chicken shite to join
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:19 am to CockInYourEar
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Auburn
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These schools aren't needed to maintain the state's media market interest, plus they ARE NOT flagships, and everybody knows, the SEC is a Flagship Conference.
Remind me the last time your "Flagship" school beat this team again?
We might not be considered the flagship school of our state because we share it with arguably the most successful football program in history, but let's not be naive here to think Auburn doesn't have a stronger following and more successful program than USCe. We are a top 15 program all time. And before you say it's about more than football, it really isn't. Sure it's nice to have teams that are strong in basketball and baseball, but that clearly doesn't matter to you since you kicked out Vanderbilt, who is better than your "Flagship" is basketball, baseball, and academics. So sit down or go play by yourself
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:19 am to CockInYourEar
Just stop.
We see you.
We see you.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:22 am to BulldogNation
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B&N stores were losing money, not the same thing. MSU, Vandy, and Auburn make the SEC money.
It is like the same thing. The argument was about holding onto something b/c "you dance with you brung ya," basically.
MSU, Vandy and Auburn do make the SEC money, b/c they have fans in those states and the SECN gets to charge a higher subscription cost. The SECNetwork charges subscribers in the SEC state around $1.40 a month. Outstide the state, they charge around $0.25 a month.
If we lose 3 schools from states with SEC teams (Auburn, Vandy, MSU) and we add 3 new states (especially NC and VA who have much larger populations than those other 3 states) the SEC will make more money.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:24 am to bham_tiger
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Remind me the last time your "Flagship" school beat this team again?
We might not be considered the flagship school of our state because we share it with arguably the most successful football program in history, but let's not be naive here to think Auburn doesn't have a stronger following and more successful program than USCe. We are a top 15 program all time. And before you say it's about more than football, it really isn't. Sure it's nice to have teams that are strong in basketball and baseball, but that clearly doesn't matter to you since you kicked out Vanderbilt, who is better than your "Flagship" is basketball, baseball, and academics. So sit down or go play by yourself
Again, re read OP, this has nothing to do with how great a school is at anything OTHER than how much money they can bring to the SEC, by their addition or elimination from the conference.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:26 am to CockInYourEar
I think we would do better if we got Virginia Tech. UVA alums kinda suck.....
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:27 am to CockInYourEar
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quick summary of other points: Saying one member is vital, just b/c they were here in the beginning is a personal decision/preference. Adding UNC and dropping one of the 3 mentioned would generate more $ for the conference...the same way expanding to MO and TX already did. Texas has a bigger following that aTm, both on the state and national level. Adding OK and WVU make geographic, media market, and overall revenue sense.Look at travel costs for the schools, or benefits of having teams closer by for visiting fans, or helping to expand a clearly defined geo footprint as well.
So you concede that Clemson is the flagship school for South Carolina. Glad to clear that up.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:28 am to CockInYourEar
As I said earlier, if you wanna make the most money, have the cross country conference.
Also by your logic, once a shiny new employee comes around, past employees should be laid off.
And who is going to come up the money to pay off MSU, Auburn, Vandy, and A&M?
Also by your logic, once a shiny new employee comes around, past employees should be laid off.
And who is going to come up the money to pay off MSU, Auburn, Vandy, and A&M?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:29 am to CockInYourEar
I would have never thought Wyoming would dominate their own state....
This Map is really really inaccurate.
This Map is really really inaccurate.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:30 am to CockInYourEar
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The hell do you think they are trying to keep secret?!?!
I don't know, maybe all their communications and scheming? All of their plans for future projects? All the dirty laundry of infighting hits the airwaves?
If the SEC had it your way it isn't even at 14 right now because the Big 12 sees the SEC coming and sues for interfering before it can invite A&M.
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Why are those secrets worth more than adding the new schools?
Because what drives the money right now isn't your fricked up flagship notion, in fact that has 0% to do with the money.
What drives the money is simply having teams in states. For example, having A&M in Texas is worth just as much as having Texas in Texas as far as SEC Network revenue is concerned. The network doesn't need a flapship to get the full rate.
When we look at your plan the SEC gives up ALL its secrecy to add states with VERY few cable subscribers like Oklahoma or West Virginia. That is a bad trade for the SEC.
If you want to really sink your teeth into something realignment related get this:
If A&M takes the SEC offer in the 90's with Arkansas then USC is never in the fricking SEC ever. Without A&M missing that spot your program is some AAC mid major and Clemson dominates your state despite "flagship status."
But go ahead and kick us out because Kenny Trill ruined your best coach ever.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 10:31 am to BulldogNation
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And who is going to come up the money to pay off MSU, Auburn, Vandy, and A&M?
Haven't you heard they become satellite campuses for the real schools....
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