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re: Been reading some Clemson message boards..cocky bunch still.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:55 am to Othello
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:55 am to Othello
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We would have won without the onside kick.
You think? I thought is was a turning point in the game. That's not taking anything away from Alabama. You guys did what it takes, and I felt like the Onside Kick was a great, gutsy play. But it definitely swung the momentum into your favor.
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:57 am to djkevlar
Look at the stats, in all key areas Clemson won the game expect TOP and they are a HUNH team which they managed to basically earn a draw otherwise known as a win in those circumstances.
However, the only stat that ultimately matters is the score. Bama won and it is because the game has 3 components. As an Auburn fan I felt like we out played FSU in 2014 but we still lost. Ironically because of the exact same circumstances. We gave up a fake punt which led to a touchdown (Clemson an onside kick), we had the only turnover which led to a touchdown for FSU (Clemson had the same thing happen) and we gave up a kick of return for a touchdown (Just like Clemson).
Just because you out played a team on O and D doesn't mean you deserved to win. The game has 3 phases.
However, the only stat that ultimately matters is the score. Bama won and it is because the game has 3 components. As an Auburn fan I felt like we out played FSU in 2014 but we still lost. Ironically because of the exact same circumstances. We gave up a fake punt which led to a touchdown (Clemson an onside kick), we had the only turnover which led to a touchdown for FSU (Clemson had the same thing happen) and we gave up a kick of return for a touchdown (Just like Clemson).
Just because you out played a team on O and D doesn't mean you deserved to win. The game has 3 phases.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 7:58 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 7:57 am to antibarner
They were the better team
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:08 am to antibarner
Our players got outplayed and their coaches got out coached, it's that simple.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:23 am to antibarner
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Not a single bit of credit to Alabama to be found LOL. I think they played about as well as they could have, and they were still down two scores in the fourth quarter.
They had -1 turnover margin. They failed to recover a 4Q onside kick. They gave up a 4Q touchdown on a kickoff return.
I find it amazing that any bammer can criticize Clemson fans when his own fanbase has refused to take responsibility for a loss since the Mike Shula era. "Ole Miss was lucky." "Auburn was lucky." "Offensive lineman downfield!" Good gosh.
Clemson had 23 individual plays that went for 10 yards or more. That compares to just 11 such plays for Alabama. Clemson had their way with the Alabama defense the entire game. And Clemson's defense was far more physical and put far more pressure on Coker than anyone expected them to.
If I were a Clemson fan, I'd be looking at my own mistakes as what turned out to be the difference in the game. And I can assure you that you would be doing the same thing if you were in that situation. Move on.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 8:45 am to BamaScoop
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Our players got outplayed and their coaches got out coached, it's that simple.
Actually agree with you Scoop. Scary shite.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:04 am to Tigerman97
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Look at the stats, in all key areas Clemson won the game expect TOP
This is untrue. Almost totally untrue.
In addition to the time of possession, Clemson lost the turnover battle.
Clemson had a worse 3rd down conversion percentage.
Clemson's QB had a worse completion percentage, barely 50% and 16% under his season average.
Clemson's yards per attempt rate was 5 yards worse than Bama's (13.5 to 8.5).
Clemson had more first downs, a slightly better YPC rushing (3.8 to 3.0), and thanks to their final drive that ended with :12 left in the game more total yardage.
The onsides kick was huge, and Bama likely loses without it but The narrative that Clemson dominated Bama is nothing more that the 2016 version of 'if only Clot didn't get hurt'.
The game saw the script flipped for both teams with Bama consistently hitting big plays and Clemson effectively sustaining drives. Different, but even and Bama got two service breaks (turnover and kick).
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:23 am to BamaScoop
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Our players got outplayed and their coaches got out coached, it's that simple.
Spot on analysis
Posted on 1/15/16 at 9:36 am to DawgsLife
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You think? I thought is was a turning point in the game. That's not taking anything away from Alabama. You guys did what it takes, and I felt like the Onside Kick was a great, gutsy play. But it definitely swung the momentum into your favor.
I agree and so does Saban. Our defense was shot and we needed a momentum swing. He even said if he thought we couldn't win without doing something. But that doesn't tarnish the victory one bit. Defense, offense, special teams, and coaching. They are all part of the game. You can't ignore any facet of it if you want to be a champion. And Saban doesn't miss anything.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:08 am to bisonduck
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I thought someone (out of the play) was offsides. I figured that was the tantrum.
No, the tantrum was b/c CDS didn't understand the rule. In the SC game, Clemson tried an onside kick and their guy recovered. They didn't get the ball b/c an SC player was in the area and called for a fair catch. There was no Clemson player in the area of the ball.
Woman in front of me was throwing a fit about this. I tried to explain what happened and she called me a "fricking old lady who knows shite about football."
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:11 am to BHMKyle
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Clemson had 23 individual plays that went for 10 yards or more. That compares to just 11 such plays for Alabama. Clemson had their way with the Alabama defense the entire game.
Yet scored a trash touchdown with 12 seconds left. How many plays of 50 plus yards did Clemson have? I think zero. Bama had 4 that went for TDs plus one more that went for 63 to the 15 yard line.
Clemson played great, especially on defense, but that secondary had its eyes in the backfield the entire time and Bama made them pay for it with the home runs. I know the haters call them busts, but when your defensive strategy was to attack the running game like that and focus on Ridley, we hit them with OJ Howard.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:37 am to BHMKyle
Clemson's special teams & secondary cost them the game.
Watson's performance was brilliant other than the one pick he threw.
Everyone wants to pinpoint the onsides kick as being the game changer but there were many plays where if you take away any one in particular, one could argue that Bama loses without that play.
The one big play which I thought was a huge deal that is not getting the attention of Drake's TD, onsides kick, etc is the throw to Ardarius Stewart with 11:30 left in the game. Bama was down by 3 and facing 3rd and 11. Coker is pressured, throws off his back foot and converts to Stewart who is well covered. This set up the tying fg and the onsides kick.
Watson's performance was brilliant other than the one pick he threw.
Everyone wants to pinpoint the onsides kick as being the game changer but there were many plays where if you take away any one in particular, one could argue that Bama loses without that play.
The one big play which I thought was a huge deal that is not getting the attention of Drake's TD, onsides kick, etc is the throw to Ardarius Stewart with 11:30 left in the game. Bama was down by 3 and facing 3rd and 11. Coker is pressured, throws off his back foot and converts to Stewart who is well covered. This set up the tying fg and the onsides kick.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:47 am to djkevlar
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Yes Alabama won, but I wouldn't be bragging about this win Gumps. Seriously, every score you guys had was a big play. Honestly Clemson definitely outplayed Alabama. You shouldn't feel good about a 5 point win when you pay for some of the better athletes. Alabama has been buying NC's, I would not be happy nor proud of my School for buying and sometimes down right stealing not earning wins. You guys are an embarrassment to College Football. And your fans think you guys are Legit. Please salvage what little pride you can by coming forth with the truth... The Truth will eventually catch up to you. The irony is that it won't discipline or hurt the players over the past 5-6 years, it will be the future Alabama players that will pay the price under sanctions from the NCAA. The Championships will be redacted. But hey, your current happiness is what matters right? You guys will be the biggest scandal since SMU, Penn State, USC, etc... pick a team that has been in deep deep trouble before and you will know you are sullying future generations at your school... And btw, I don't hate Alabama I feel sorry for the future generations that will have to pay for your players and coaches treachery. We all know its not all Coaches and Players, but everyone knows its enough Coaches, Players, and $$$...
Posts like this really make this place entertaining
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:29 pm to Tigerman97
Bama got outplayed by Clemson for a large portion of the game and that's just the plain truth. That's what made the win so satisfying. Bama was on the verge of losing the game but they dug deep and found a way to win against the odds. That's what champions do.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:35 pm to BHMKyle
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Clemson had 23 individual plays that went for 10 yards or more. That compares to just 11 such plays for Alabama.
Alabama had 8 plays of 25 yards or more (not including the KOR for TD)
Clemson had 4 plays of 25 yards of more
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And Clemson's defense was far more physical and put far more pressure on Coker than anyone expected them to.
Jake Coker had the 2nd best game of the season (202.96 QB Rating) and best game against a Division 1 opponent of the season (235.54 rating vs Charleston Southern).
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:39 pm to djkevlar
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Yes Alabama won, but I wouldn't be bragging about this win Gumps. Seriously, every score you guys had was a big play. Honestly Clemson definitely outplayed Alabama. You shouldn't feel good about a 5 point win when you pay for some of the better athletes. Alabama has been buying NC's, I would not be happy nor proud of my School for buying and sometimes down right stealing not earning wins.
You guys are an embarrassment to College Football. And your fans think you guys are Legit. Please salvage what little pride you can by coming forth with the truth... The Truth will eventually catch up to you. The irony is that it won't discipline or hurt the players over the past 5-6 years, it will be the future Alabama players that will pay the price under sanctions from the NCAA. The Championships will be redacted.
But hey, your current happiness is what matters right? You guys will be the biggest scandal since SMU, Penn State, USC, etc... pick a team that has been in deep deep trouble before and you will know you are sullying future generations at your school...
And btw, I don't hate Alabama I feel sorry for the future generations that will have to pay for your players and coaches treachery. We all know its not all Coaches and Players, but everyone knows its enough Coaches, Players, and $$$...
Your gump wife been pegging your arse again? So much hurt butt.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:41 pm to Robin Masters
I don't give a shite who respects it or doesn't or blah blah blah
that playoff trophy is T-Town
deal with it
that playoff trophy is T-Town
deal with it
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:45 pm to DaBama
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Bama got outplayed by Clemson for a large portion of the game and that's just the plain truth. That's what made the win so satisfying. Bama was on the verge of losing the game but they dug deep and found a way to win against the odds. That's what champions do.
I don't think anyone is arguing that. It's your gump buddies saying they were two scores better. The scoreboard didn't reflect that, the play on the field didn't reflect that and it's just not the case.
Clemson played a good game and proved to be a lot more competitive than I thought.
Clemson has a lot to be cocky about. With Watson, I would make them the odds on favorite.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:46 pm to bisonduck
2 days ago we were getting told to stop slurping Watson and Clemson and now we are being told we aren't giving them enough respect.
I just need someone to let me know the correct response to the team that we beat in the national title game. Thanks in advance.
I just need someone to let me know the correct response to the team that we beat in the national title game. Thanks in advance.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:58 pm to djkevlar
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You guys are an embarrassment to College Football. And your fans think you guys are Legit.
Let me get this straight. You're saying that the University of Alabama's football team is an embarrassment to college football?
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The Truth will eventually catch up to you. The irony is that it won't discipline or hurt the players over the past 5-6 years, it will be the future Alabama players that will pay the price under sanctions from the NCAA. The Championships will be redacted.
You sound like a man with some inside knowledge. Give us some juicy details.
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