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Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:19 am to 14&Counting
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:19 am to 14&Counting
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LOL...Bama's OOC opponents since Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa:
2007 - Florida State
2008 - Clemson
2009 - Virginia Tech
2010 - Penn State
2011 - Penn State
2012 - Michigan
2013 - Virginia Tech
2014 - West Virginia
2015 - Wisconsin
2016 - Southern Cal
2017 - Florida State
2018 - Louisville
You can LOL all you want, but the truth of the matter is there are very few great teams on that list that Bama has already played.
2007 Florida State finished 7-6 and unranked. They finished their season with a loss to Kentucky in the Music City Bowl... Next.
2008 Clemson finished 7-6 and unranked. Their season included losses to Georgia Tech, Maryland, and Wake Forest... Next.
2009 Virginia Tech finished 10-3 and #10. To date, this is the only OOC team Bama has played in the regular season during the Saban era that has finished in the AP Top 20.
2010 Penn State finished 7-6 and unranked.
2011 Penn State finished 9-4 and unranked. They lost to every opponent they faced that had more than 7 wins.
2012 Michigan finished 8-5 and ranked #24.
2013 Virginia Tech finished 8-5 and unranked. Their season culminated with a 42-14 Sun Bowl loss to UCLA.
2014 West Virginia finished 7-6 and unranked.
2015 Wisconsin finished 10-3 and ranked #21. They played an entire regular season without beating a single team with a winning record... in fact, their 9 regular season victories were against teams that averaged exactly 4 wins apiece.
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Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:29 am to SummerOfGeorge
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It's nuts.
At the end of the day, we play all of the same western conference opponents year in and year out. The SEC West top to bottom has been the toughest division in the toughest conference. We have scheduled outstanding P5 programs every year.
The only thing you could remotely say is that Bama's permanent east rival has had some down years however, Tennessee was our toughest regular season game last year and it will probably be our toughest this year...but you could argue LSU has benefitted from a down UF as well although that is changing as well.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:49 am to BHMKyle
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You can LOL all you want, but the truth of the matter is there are very few great teams on that list that Bama has already played.
2007 Florida State finished 7-6 and unranked. They finished their season with a loss to Kentucky in the Music City Bowl... Next.
2008 Clemson finished 7-6 and unranked. Their season included losses to Georgia Tech, Maryland, and Wake Forest... Next.
2009 Virginia Tech finished 10-3 and #10. To date, this is the only OOC team Bama has played in the regular season during the Saban era that has finished in the AP Top 20.
2010 Penn State finished 7-6 and unranked.
2011 Penn State finished 9-4 and unranked. They lost to every opponent they faced that had more than 7 wins.
2012 Michigan finished 8-5 and ranked #24.
2013 Virginia Tech finished 8-5 and unranked. Their season culminated with a 42-14 Sun Bowl loss to UCLA.
2014 West Virginia finished 7-6 and unranked.
2015 Wisconsin finished 10-3 and ranked #21. They played an entire regular season without beating a single team with a winning record... in fact, their 9 regular season victories were against teams that averaged exactly 4 wins apiece.
Meh, we can go back and forth all day. Even by your own admission we played an OOC team that finished top 10 and 3 that finished top 25. And the fact of the matter is that you remove the loss to Bama for each of those teams and almost all of them finish the season ranked. That's a fact. That of course doesn't even factor in our SEC Title wins in Atlanta or our bowl/playoff wins away from BDS.
Edit--by my count Alabama is 4-1 in SEC Title games, and 7-3 in bowl/playoff games under Saban for an 11-4 record in post-season games against mostly ranked (many very highly ranked) teams away from home. 4 of those 11 wins were in national title games while 4 others were SEC title games. Ice water.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:50 am to 14&Counting
Is LSU is still whining about having to play Florida every year? In the last eight years, Bama has played Florida six times.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:09 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Team's have a hard time finishing in the Top 10 when you are already guaranteeing them a loss. Teams could go 11-1 outside of their loss to Alabama and still finish right outside the top 10.
Sure. I'm sure that's affected it somewhat. But how do you explain Bama's dearth of Top 25 matchups durings the regular season? You've got 5-loss teams finishing in the Top 25 these days.
# of regular season games played against teams that finish in the Top 25 since 2007:
39- Auburn
39- Arkansas
38- Ole Miss
37- Florida
36- S. Carolina
36- Miss. St.
36- Tennessee
34- LSU
34- Vanderbilt
31- Georgia
31- Kentucky
29- Alabama
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Kind of deceiving.
You Bama fans do have a claim that its difficult to have "As Difficult" of a schedule than others when you are unable to play yourself, since Bama is typically at the top of the league.... however, to try to claim that this is the ONLY reason is what I'd call deceiving.
Regular season games played against OOC teams that finish in the Top 25 since 2007:
9- South Carolina
7- Florida
5- Georgia
5- LSU
5- Auburn
4- Tennessee
4- Ole Miss
4- Miss St.
4- Vanderbilt
3- Kentucky
3- Alabama
2- Arkansas
I mean even the Mississippi schools have played more good OOC opponents during the Saban era.
Mississippi State played 2007 West Virginia (#6), 2008 Georgia Tech (#22), 2009 Georgia Tech (#13), and 2013 Oklahoma State (#13).
Ole Miss played 2007 Missouri (#4), 2012 Texas (#19), 2014 Boise State (#16), and 2014 Memphis (#25).
Again, only Arkansas has played fewer OOC teams during the regular season who've finished in the Top 25. How about we also look at cross-divisional SEC games?
Games played against Cross-Divisional SEC programs that finished in the Top 25 since 2007:
14- Florida
14- Tennessee
12- Vanderbilt
10- Georgia
10- Arkansas
10- S. Carolina
9- Auburn
8- Ole Miss
8- Kentucky
7- LSU
5- Alabama
4- Mississippi State
Again, Bama comes in #10 out of 11 teams. Obviously the Eastern teams are going to have an advantage here since the West has been strong and the East has been generally weak in recent years. However, most of the West have played multiple more games against tougher Eastern opponents during the regular season.
All this adds up to Bama getting a pretty soft schedule during the regular season. No one is criticizing. But those are the facts. To try to say otherwise is just silly.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
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If Alabama had lost to UGA, Mississippi State and Wisconsin all 3 of those schools would have finished in the Top 25, probably the Top 20. Because they lost to Alabama 2 of the 3 finished right outside the Top 25.
Again, its not always all about Bama. Florida and Tennessee could both say the same thing about Georgia.... LSU, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss could all say the same thing about Mississippi State. That's half the SEC right there in the same boat as Bama.
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I can go back through and name at least 1-2 teams each season that Alabama beat, making them 9-3 or 8-4, who if they had beaten Alabama would have been Top 25 teams.
And so can most any other big SEC program. The SEC always has a handful of teams finish in that 26-35 range.... but there are usually 3-4 SEC teams who all beat those teams. Again, Bama's not the only one in this predicament.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
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If Alabama had lost to UGA, Mississippi State and Wisconsin all 3 of those schools would have finished in the Top 25, probably the Top 20. Because they lost to Alabama 2 of the 3 finished right outside the Top 25.
Again, its not always all about Bama. Florida and Tennessee could both say the same thing about Georgia.... LSU, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss could all say the same thing about Mississippi State. That's half the SEC right there in the same boat as Bama.
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I can go back through and name at least 1-2 teams each season that Alabama beat, making them 9-3 or 8-4, who if they had beaten Alabama would have been Top 25 teams.
And so can most any other big SEC program. The SEC always has a handful of teams finish in that 26-35 range.... but there are usually 3-4 SEC teams who all beat those teams. Again, Bama's not the only one in this predicament.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:17 am to SummerOfGeorge
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We don't EVER slip up at home or on the road against 7-5/8-4 type teams (led alone 6-6/5-7 teams). Ever.
Stephen Garcia says, "Hi!"
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:20 am to StopRobot
StopRobot, that there's some funny sh*t. 
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:21 am to BHMKyle
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# of regular season games played against teams that finish in the Top 25 since 2007:
39- Auburn
39- Arkansas
38- Ole Miss
36- Miss. St.
36- Tennessee
34- LSU
Something these schools all have in common-
They are all guaranteed an annual top 25 game vs Alabama.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:23 am to remaster916
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Is LSU is still whining about having to play Florida every year?
Why not? Bama would be. We all hear the cries about teams getting an off-week before Bama.
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In the last eight years, Bama has played Florida six times.
Everyone knows there is a difference when its in the SEC Title Game. Bama has played Florida 3 times during the regular season during the Saban era, and those Gator teams had 5, 5, and 6 losses on the season. Not exactly impressive.
Had Alabama played Florida or Georgia during the regular season every single year since 2007, we all know Bama fans would be talking about how brutal they had it compared to everyone else. Don't act like you wouldn't.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:41 am to BHMKyle
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2007 Florida State finished 7-6 and unranked. They finished their season with a loss to Kentucky in the Music City Bowl... Next. 2008 Clemson finished 7-6 and unranked. Their season included losses to Georgia Tech, Maryland, and Wake Forest... Next. 2009 Virginia Tech finished 10-3 and #10. To date, this is the only OOC team Bama has played in the regular season during the Saban era that has finished in the AP Top 20. 2010 Penn State finished 7-6 and unranked. 2011 Penn State finished 9-4 and unranked. They lost to every opponent they faced that had more than 7 wins. 2012 Michigan finished 8-5 and ranked #24. 2013 Virginia Tech finished 8-5 and unranked. Their season culminated with a 42-14 Sun Bowl loss to UCLA. 2014 West Virginia finished 7-6 and unranked. 2015 Wisconsin finished 10-3 and ranked #21. They played an entire regular season without beating a single team with a winning record... in fact, their 9 regular season victories were against teams that averaged exactly 4 wins apiece.
So Alabama has played 5 8+ win teams from Power 5 conferences (8-3 or better minus their game vs Alabama) in the last 8 years?
And that equates to "poor OOC scheduling"?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:42 am to BHMKyle
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Again, its not always all about Bama. Florida and Tennessee could both say the same thing about Georgia.... LSU, Texas A&M, and Ole Miss could all say the same thing about Mississippi State. That's half the SEC right there in the same boat as Bama.
Except for every other school in the league has a smattering of them. Alabama has it EVERY SINGLE SEASON, because we are good and win 90%+ of our games EVERY SINGLE SEASON.
So, this sort of thing adversely effects Alabama to a MUCH higher degree over the last 7 years than anyone else. It isn't even close.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:45 am to BHMKyle
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# of regular season games played against teams that finish in the Top 25 since 2007: 39- Auburn 39- Arkansas 38- Ole Miss 37- Florida 36- S. Carolina 36- Miss. St. 36- Tennessee 34- LSU 34- Vanderbilt 31- Georgia 31- Kentucky 29- Alabama
9 of the 39 for Auburn = Alabama
9 of the 39 for Arkansas = Alabama
9 of the 38 for Ole Miss = Alabama
0 of the 29 for Alabama = Alabama
Nobody else has finished in the Top 25 every year since 2008. Alabama, again, is exponentially punished by analysis like this because we both (a) can't play ourselves and (b) add to everyone else's list.
Take out Auburn from Alabama's and Alabama's from Auburns and how much closer are we?
Take out Alabama from Arkansas's and Arkansas from Alabama and how much closer are we?
Should I continue?
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:46 am to Old Hellen Yeller
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Something these schools all have in common-
They are all guaranteed an annual top 25 game vs Alabama.
Okay we're going to settle this silliness with facts... take out all common games and then compare.
Auburn
Auburn has played 39 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves Auburn with 31 and Bama with 25. Auburn is +6 compared to Bama.
Arkansas
Auburn has played 39 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves Arkansas with 31 and Bama with 27. Arkansas is +4.
Ole Miss
Ole Miss has played 38 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves Ole Miss with 30 and Bama with 35. Ole Miss is +5.
Mississippi State
Mississippi State has played 36 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves Mississippi State with 28 and Bama with 27. Mississippi State is +1.
Tennessee
Tennessee has played 36 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves Tennessee with 28 and Bama with 27. Tennessee is +1.
LSU
LSU has played 34 regular season Top 25 opponents since 2007 to Bama's 29. Take out all common games and that leaves LSU with 26 and Bama with 22. LSU is +4.
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Something these schools all have in common-
... They all have played tougher regular season schedules than Bama.
If you remove common games, here are how many more games each of Bama's annual SEC rivals have played compared to Bama during the Saban era:
6- Auburn
5- Ole Miss
4- LSU
4- Arkansas
1- Mississippi State
1- Tennessee
If that doesn't prove Bama has had it easy, I don't know what will. Tennessee... who's played in the by far easier division since 2007... has still played a tougher regular season schedule compared to Bama even if you remove playing Bama from the discussion. Let that sink in.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:46 am to BHMKyle
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Stephen Garcia says, "Hi!"
A road game against a team that went 9-5, won the SEC East and finished ranked #22 in America. And that is the best example that can be found since 2008.
That proves my point better than just about anything else.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:48 am to BHMKyle
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Had Alabama played Florida or Georgia during the regular season every single year since 2007, we all know Bama fans would be talking about how brutal they had it compared to everyone else. Don't act like you wouldn't.
LOL - One of those regular season UF wins was against Urban. Aside from the 2008 SECCG we have clowned UF and we own UGA. Go back and look at the Tennessee series and see who has owned who. Bama has a nice run against them now but it has been a very streaky series. UT beat UGA last year and gave Bama its toughest test outside of Clemson. Most pundits have UT winning the east this year. The whole east has generally sucked.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:49 am to BHMKyle
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silliness
Your post itself proves it isn't silliness. It's MUCH closer than it would be otherwise.
The difference is pretty clear.
Auburn - Georgia
Arkansas - South Carolina
LSU - Florida
Alabama - Tennessee
Ole Miss - Vanderbilt
Mississippi State - Kentucky
Over the past 7 years Tennessee has finished in the Top 25.......twice? Once? They weren't very good. Vanderbilt and Kentucky probably finished in the Top 25 the same amount of times if I had to guess.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:50 am to BHMKyle
We get it. You are butthurt when it comes to Alabama. We don't need a weekly thread showing it.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 11:52 am to BHMKyle
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Had Alabama played Florida or Georgia during the regular season every single year since 2007, we all know Bama fans would be talking about how brutal they had it compared to everyone else. Don't act like you wouldn't.
No, we wouldn't. We played Florida/Georgia 8 times from 2008-2016, including 3 road games (2008, 2011, 2015), 4 neutral site games (2008, 2009, 2012, 2015) and 1 home game (2014).
So, in 9 of the 10 years from 2007-2016 we played Florida or Georgia anyway (either in Atlanta or Regular Season). We went 7-2 and only 3 of the games were even close (2007 vs UGA, 2008 vs UF, 2012 vs UGA). All of the other games were beat downs.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 11:58 am
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