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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:39 am to BHMKyle
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:39 am to BHMKyle
When Stallings was there he told me that he'd rather play on the road because even though there was crowd noise, he got the kids away from so many distractions at home. He said the biggest one most of the time being the parents of the players themselves. They, along with girlfriends, ect., had limited contact with them on the road and they could run the team much better. More like a military unit.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:01 am to LarryDavid
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When Stallings was there he told me that he'd rather play on the road because even though there was crowd noise, he got the kids away from so many distractions at home.
I'm sure this is probably true. Of course even Stallings had a worse record when playing ranked teams on the road as opposed to playing them at home... albeit, it was close. Stallings won 65% of his home games against ranked teams, and won 60% of his road games against ranked teams... which is a very strong record in big games BTW.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:33 pm to BHMKyle
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You should worry about checking your own work. UF did not finish ranked that season, hence why they were left off the list.
That was in response to where you listed how many road games teams played against ranked teams and ranked Alabama teams. In 2010 UF played a ranked Bama in Tuscaloosa. You listed UF as 0-0 against ranked Bama teams away. Like I said, one of your errors.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:37 pm to TailbackU
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Just glad someone else is pointing out what Auburn people have known for a hundred years. The turds are masters at stacking the deck in so many ways. It is what it is. I'm just glad someone else is calling bull shite on their power play. It amazes me that the other AD's don't absolutely demand that the SEC office move locations.
It amazes me you and the rest of the Boogs aren't in Jay Jacobs office right now. Just a bunch of cucks.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:39 pm to BHMKyle
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In 2016, you'll play four more true road games.... 3 of those opponents will be ranked in the Preseason Top 15, and the other will be around #30. Those teams may fall apart and not live up to their preseason hype. But if they are indeed ranked about where they should be, Bama will have a much more difficult road this year compared to last year.
Sounds like a brilliant conspiracy to help Bama
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:54 pm to StopRobot
I would just like to encourage all of the other SEC teams to finish in the top 10 so you can quit claiming Bama doesn't play anybody good.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:25 pm to cajunbama
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You listed UF as 0-0 against ranked Bama teams away. Like I said, one of your errors.
My bad. I missed Florida's when I was scanning each team's totals. The overall numbers are correct though. Florida is 5-11 in road games against ranked teams away from home... 0-2 vs. Alabama in Tuscaloosa in such games.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 3:28 pm to StopRobot
If you use *FINAL* AP rankings (because in-game rankings are not accurate),
Explain why in-game rankings are not accurate? We play the team when they are ranked and if they lose to Bama then they automatically slip in ranking because of losing to Bama. What you are saying doesn't make sense because their final ranking was in large part due to losing to Bama.
This whole theory is shite. For example, I believe UGA was ranked #8 when we played them in 2015 and they finished unranked. So the wheels came off for UGA and Richt after that beatdown we delivered to them in Athens yet you are diminishing the quality of that win because of UGA's final ranking...yet going into that game UGA was FAVORED. I think it was the first time in years Bama wasn't favored.... Bama went onto the road, played a Top 10 team, beat them convincingly when everyone predicted Bama was done for the season after Ole Miss. Yet you discount that win by your own theory because of where UGA finished AFTER playing Bama.
Explain why in-game rankings are not accurate? We play the team when they are ranked and if they lose to Bama then they automatically slip in ranking because of losing to Bama. What you are saying doesn't make sense because their final ranking was in large part due to losing to Bama.
This whole theory is shite. For example, I believe UGA was ranked #8 when we played them in 2015 and they finished unranked. So the wheels came off for UGA and Richt after that beatdown we delivered to them in Athens yet you are diminishing the quality of that win because of UGA's final ranking...yet going into that game UGA was FAVORED. I think it was the first time in years Bama wasn't favored.... Bama went onto the road, played a Top 10 team, beat them convincingly when everyone predicted Bama was done for the season after Ole Miss. Yet you discount that win by your own theory because of where UGA finished AFTER playing Bama.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 4:39 pm to ArabianKnight
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I would just like to encourage all of the other SEC teams to finish in the top 10 so you can quit claiming Bama doesn't play anybody good.
There have been 26 SEC teams to finish in the AP Top 10 since 2007... 8 of those were Alabama. That means there were 18 other SEC teams that finished in the Top 10. While Bama has certainly accounted for a good chunk of those, its not always all about Bama.
Since 2007, Alabama has played 10 teams that finished in the Top 10 during the regular season... that compares 18 for Florida... 18 for Auburn... 19 for LSU... etc.
Even if you take out the games play against Alabama, Auburn has still played 10... same as Bama... LSU has still played 11... one more than Bama... and Florida has still played 16... six more than Bama!
But that's not exactly fair considering you're still counting all of Bama's top 10 games and not throwing out their tough ones played against other SEC or National Champs... like LSU in 2007, Auburn in 2010, Auburn in 2013, etc.
It's simply a fact that Bama has played one of the easier regular season schedules in the league since Saban came to Tuscaloosa. Partly due to Tennessee sucking... but also partly due to not playing many great OOC foes.
Since 2007, Auburn and LSU have both played 5 OOC teams during the regular season that finished in the Top 25. Florida has played 7 such teams. And South Carolina takes the cake, having played 9 such teams... that averages out to one every single year! Meanwhile Bama has played 3 OOC teams during the regular season that ended up in the Top 25... one of those finished #21 (Wisconsin in 2015) and another finished #24 (Michigan in 2012).
Alabama has obviously done what it needed to do to put them in a position to win championships. But don't come here and act like the only reason Bama hasn't played as tough of a schedule is because you are unable to play yourself. That's simply not true. Bama has played a relatively easy OOC schedule and a relatively easy cross-divisional schedule ever since Saban came to Tuscaloosa. Those are just facts.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 4:51 pm to 14&Counting
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Explain why in-game rankings are not accurate?
When LSU beat #18 Auburn last season, was Auburn really a Top 20 team?
When Alabama beat #9 Texas A&M last season, was Texas A&M really a Top 10 team?
When Kentucky beat #25 Missouri last season, was Missouri really a Top 25 team?
The answer to all of those questions is a resounding "NO". Why should Alabama get credit for beating a Top 10 team in Texas A&M and not LSU? The timing of the game honestly has nothing to do with it. Texas A&M was never a Top 10 calibur team last year. Ever.
Preseason rankings are often not accurate, and they therefore should not have an effect on these statistics. Therefore end of the season rankings are more accurate.
Bottomline, Auburn, Texas A&M, nor Missouri were ever Top 25 calibur teams last season. Anyone who defeated them last year should only get credit for beating an unranked team. Teams that played them early should not get credit for a win over a ranked team, while teams that played them at the end of the season don't get that credit.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:07 pm to BHMKyle
If anyone can handle that schedule it's definitely the 2016 crimson tide.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 5:12 pm to BHMKyle
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That's simply not true. Bama has played a relatively easy OOC schedule and a relatively easy cross-divisional schedule ever since Saban came to Tuscaloosa. Those are just facts.
LOL...Bama's OOC opponents since Saban arrived in Tuscaloosa:
2007 - Florida State
2008 - Clemson
2009 - Virginia Tech
2010 - Penn State
2011 - Penn State
2012 - Michigan
2013 - Virginia Tech
2014 - West Virginia
2015 - Wisconsin
2016 - Southern Cal
2017 - Florida State
2018 - Louisville
Does that OOC schedule seem like Bama is not scheduling quality OOC opponents. No one else in the SEC has stepped up like that except maybe LSU. No one! All we can do is schedule quality P5 programs we can't predict years in advance how they end up finishing their season.
You still haven't addressed the fundamental flaw in your logic as to opposing teams rankings at the end of the season AFTER they played Bama and lost in the regular season and the fact that their ranking is in large part derived from that loss.
Furthermore, now that we are in the playoff model, once you get to playoff's the regular season doesn't count for shite anymore. It's a 2-game season and Bama destroyed the Big 10 champ and knocked off the #1 team in the country to take the title. In the BCS era, we destroyed Texas, LSU, and Notre Dame. So you're flawed argument is rendered rather moot.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:34 pm to ArabianKnight
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I would just like to encourage all of the other SEC teams to finish in the top 10 so you can quit claiming Bama doesn't play anybody good.
This. Anybody that plays Bama in ttown gets an auto top 10 (top 5) opponent for the purposes of this list.
It would be nice if the rest of the SEC could step up.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:07 am to StopRobot
Team's have a hard time finishing in the Top 10 when you are already guaranteeing them a loss. Teams could go 11-1 outside of their loss to Alabama and still finish right outside the top 10.
Kind of deceiving.
Kind of deceiving.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:23 am to BHMKyle
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Georgia, A&M, and MSU all finished the year outside the Top 25. So congrats! You played four true road games last season and none of those opponents finished in the Top 25.
This is an excellent example of why this process is tilted against teams like Alabama.
If Alabama had lost to UGA, Mississippi State and Wisconsin all 3 of those schools would have finished in the Top 25, probably the Top 20. Because they lost to Alabama 2 of the 3 finished right outside the Top 25. I can go back through and name at least 1-2 teams each season that Alabama beat, making them 9-3 or 8-4, who if they had beaten Alabama would have been Top 25 teams. That alone skews the analysis by anywhere from 5-10 games vs T25 teams over this period (assuming a "non-Alabama" program would win half those games).
Therefore, beating those teams hurt Alabama in terms of this type of analysis. And, considering we beat 90-95% of the teams we play, we have a pretty significant build in disadvantage compared to other teams. And that doesn't even factor in that we are by far the most consistent Top 10 team in America the last decade, and we don't get to play ourselves while the rest of the league does (and the West does every year).
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:26 am to BHMKyle
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Since 2007, Alabama has played 10 teams that finished in the Top 10 during the regular season... that compares 18 for Florida... 18 for Auburn... 19 for LSU... etc.
Alabama has played 10 teams that finished in the top 10
Auburn has played 10 non-Alabama teams that finished in the Top 10
Florida has played 13 non-Alabama teams that finished in the Top 10
LSU has played 11 non-Alabama teams that finished in the Top 10
I mean ,come on. We can't schedule ourselves.
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played a relatively easy OOC schedule
LOL - Penn State (2x), USC, Michigan, Clemson, Virginia Tech (2x), Wisconsin, West Virginia. Yea, we shy away from big matchups.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:28 am to 14&Counting
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2017 - Florida State
Throw in Fresno State and Colorado State also. They're not your usual cupcakes.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 9:32 am to Gary Busey
And finally, none of our neutral site games even get a mention here (including bowl games, playoff games, SEC Title games, season kickoff games).
We have probably played at least 10-15 games vs Top 10 teams at neutral sites since 2008.
We have probably played at least 10-15 games vs Top 10 teams at neutral sites since 2008.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:01 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Therefore, beating those teams hurt Alabama in terms of this type of analysis.
It skews the whole analysis completely
Posted on 6/15/16 at 10:04 am to 14&Counting
And, quite frankly, I think the most impressive part of the run Alabama has had is no their record vs really good teams (that is very good).
The most impressive thing is that we have not lost a game to a team that was outside of the Top 25 at the time of the game (and probably finished the season) since 2007. We don't EVER slip up at home or on the road against 7-5/8-4 type teams (led alone 6-6/5-7 teams). Ever. That's just unreal in this day and age. Going in and beating teams like Arkansas, State and A&M in their buildings is not an easy thing to do, even when they are Top 30 (not Top 10) type teams. And we have done it every single time. Not just most of the time, every time. It's nuts.
The most impressive thing is that we have not lost a game to a team that was outside of the Top 25 at the time of the game (and probably finished the season) since 2007. We don't EVER slip up at home or on the road against 7-5/8-4 type teams (led alone 6-6/5-7 teams). Ever. That's just unreal in this day and age. Going in and beating teams like Arkansas, State and A&M in their buildings is not an easy thing to do, even when they are Top 30 (not Top 10) type teams. And we have done it every single time. Not just most of the time, every time. It's nuts.
This post was edited on 6/15/16 at 10:08 am
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